Advice / Touring Partner wanted for UK to Scandinavia!

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iviehoff wrote:...sometimes the airport also matters, for example Norwegian refuses to load bicycles at Gatwick.

Not any more - it changed a few months ago: http://www.norwegian.com/uk/travel-info ... equipment/

In answer to the OP yes I have a small petrol stove (Svea 123) which has travelled out and back with me on a number of occasions. I don't think I have ever eaten out in a restaurant in Norway. You are usually required to tell the airline in advance that you're taking a stove, and you have to do this and that to nullify any risk but I always think that if there are notes against my boooking it shouldn't be a problem. Touch wood.

Wild camping in the fjords can be tricky as mentioned, but after a bit you get your eye in. A good bet is often to go up one of the service tracks that lead up to telegraph poles. After a difficult push up you can usually find a clear bit, which may even be flat enough and dry enough to have a good night's sleep on.
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RobCyclist wrote:I would likely fly back (with the bike) from Gothenburg. I'm hoping that a local bike shop would sell a large bag and the airline would allow it, I've read sometimes they can be fussy though so hope that would work.

You can get a bag from a furniture shop that sells sofa & beds & things. Bags for mattresses work best. Some tape from a building supply place, and you are set. Leave a little hole so that you can put the airline baggage tag on your rear rack. Don't forget to put your name and address on the bike, in case the bag comes off.

I've flown Norwegian, BA, and SAS to & from Norway with my bike in a clear plastic bag, and never had any problems.

There are a few threads about flying with bikes on here, too. viewtopic.php?f=16&t=67410&p=576547#p576547 is one. The informaiton about airlines is probably dated, but there's some good advice & experience on there.

Cycletourer usually pops onto these Norwegian thereads, too. But here's his advice about bikes on planes. http://www.cycletourer.co.uk/cycletouring/planes.shtml
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Re: Advice / Touring Partner wanted for UK to Scandinavia!

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And thanks I was a bit confused why the cycle route had a missing part between Arna to Dale. So that helps knowing you can't cycle on it. I went on google streetview before and noticed there was a tunnel, just assumed that you were still allowed through it (just not advised).


Even if they were I still wouldn't go down them because the one legal tunnel on a cycle route I passed through with some traffic was frankly terrifying! (I passed through so many tunnels on my trip and I was the only one in the tunnel on all but 2 occasions - part luck part the cycle routes are generally good at keeping you away from traffic) I felt so vulnerable in it, the noise from any passing traffic is unreal. It sounds a bit extreme and I thought so before when other people mentioned it but now I understand. (Some of the motor vehicle only ones are 5km+ long).

Another tunnel problem I had was when my front light failed and I got stuck because I was on a smaller road with a fairly long unlit tunnel. Long enough to be pitch black and I tried and failed a couple of times to go through because I simply couldn't see a thing lol. I'd would have had to walk, feeling my way along the rock and was worried it could be dangerous in the event of an oncoming truck or something as there was a bend in it and it was skinny (tunnel just outside Skjolden on route 6). In the end I waited about 40 mins and flagged down a car, the driver of which was kind enough to drive behind me with his main beam on so I could cycle through. (He was then even kinder to be waiting for me to help me through the next tunnel further up the road!)

Also didn't expect the Rallarvegen to be closed in July. Would you recommend going later in August instead? Although I've heard the summer season ends earlier there... so not sure if that would be worth it.


As another has said last year was an unusually bad summer (typical for me!) so I'd take my chance with this because it's a nice traffic free ride.

I'll ask (if you don't mind) at this point: http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=14&la ... yers=B0000 between Mydral and Upsete at the west side of the Rallarvegen there is another gap. My research has shown you need to go by train for this section, although I see a small path route on that map (probably a stupid idea to attempt lol). You seem to have went north from Mydral to Flam (which I would quite like to check out also), so not sure if you would know about the Mydral to Upsette line. Just worried that I might have to book said train in advance or wait 5 hours or something as it seems like a very remote station.


You are correct. I met other cyclists who had taken this small seemingly mysterious train that stops at Upsette but you you're right it is a small station where a stopping train is not super regular so you'd probably want to know the timetable in advance for that one and plan your day accordingly. Myrdral on the other hand is also a stop for the Oslo-Bergen main line and hoards of tourists change here to take the tourist train down to Flam. I don't know about those tracks you see. I met some pretty determined cyclists last year when the Rallarvegen was snowed under and yet I didn't meet any that even discussed that as a possible route for what it's worth but I honestly don't know.

You are also correct with my route - I went down to Flam (nice ride) where I got the ferry to Balestand. The ferries are useful (they stop at a lot of places, you can even do Bergen-Flam) and add all sorts of options but not that cheap hence I took one of the shortest possible routes but it was still fun and cool to see the fjords from the water.

Also did you bring any hard maps with you (if yes, do you might me asking which ones)? I have a Garmin which I will load the cycle routes on. But I don't particularly want to be too reliant on it considering there probably will be a limited number of places that I could buy Double A batteries from.


Just took my phone (android) and used an app called viewranger where you can use opencyclemap maps so couldn't really go wrong (although I still managed it once or twice, doh!). Phone was charged with front hub but not a cheap solution unfortunately. In the past (before I had the hub) I have just taken a load of spare batteries for my phone. Much cheaper but you'll need power every now and then to charge them all! I recorded all my routes so have all the GPX files if you are interested (from that you can figure out where I camped etc if you are bothered).

Do you mind if I send you any more questions closer to the date if I can think of any burning ones ?


No probs

Have you got any pictures / videos of you journey? Would be interested in looking at them if you had, but don't feel you have to go out of you way to share them.


I PM'd a link to all my pics. here's a few anyway (I do have a few vids somewhere as well):

tracktoflam.jpg

Track down to Flam.

rallervagen.jpg

Rallarvagen

finse.jpg

Rallervagen approaching Finse

patharoundtunnel.jpg

Old road around a tunnel. Often as a cyclist you are guided around tunnels on the original pre-tunnel roads which are way more interesting.

legburner.jpg

Climb on route 3 not far from Balestrand
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Upsette and Uppsete are two different places.

However, they are relatively close together. I don't think that I would try to cycle between Myrdal and Uppsete. I might consider walking it, if there wasn't too much snow up there. The Oslo-Bergen line has 4 stations on or near Rallarvegen, and all of them are accessible with bikes, even if it isn't shown that way on the map. You can also take the train from Voss. Part of the distance from Voss can be cycled, but there is one section that isn't accessible, and cyclists have to take the train.

As for tunnels, there is lots of advice on the the other threads I have linked earlier, but cyclists are banned from lots of tunnels in Norway.

Statens Vegvesen (the Norwegian Dept. for Transport) has a nice map with all the tunnels on it, and it is colour-coded about whether cyclists can use them. http://www.vegdata.no/2014/06/17/cyclin ... n-tunnels/ scroll down to almost the bottom of the page and click on the vegkart-query. This will take you to a map the shows all of the places where cyclists are banned. If it is red, or has a red circle in the middle, cyclists are banned. If it's cyan/turquoise, cyclists are allowed. If it's green, there is no value associated (we don't know if cyclists are banned).

Cycletourer also has a map http://www.cycletourer.co.uk/maps/tunnelmap.shtml The Vegevesen map is probably the most up-to-date, but Cycletourer's map has some identified as being cyclists banned, where the Statens Vegvesen map shows 'unknown', in which case I would use Cycletourer's information.
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Here are a couple of photos from Rallarvegen. The first one is the shortest of 3 or 4 places that we had to cross snow on Rallarvegen last September. This one was the only one that I could easily photograph from far enough away to see people crossing it. This others, I went round a bend to find the path covered in snow. It probably would have been possible to ride across some parts, with studded tyres. As you can see, others had gone across and left a track. I did try riding across one section, but it was a bit slippery. I had a good laugh when I came off into the snow :lol:

Crossing the snow on Rallarvegen sept. 2015
Crossing the snow on Rallarvegen sept. 2015


The second is the hill going down from Vatnahalsen towards Flåm. I took this photo from the Flåmsbana train.

The road between Flåm and Vatnehalsen
The road between Flåm and Vatnehalsen
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RobCyclist
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Post by RobCyclist »

Thanks for all the new responses Vorpal, CBreeze & hufty and I appreciate the time you've spent helping me.

Now I just have to make sure I can get the cargo ship :) Will be looking at booking next month. Prepared to fly if I have to.

Cheers
Rob

Edit: Interesting pictures too, thanks for sharing.
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I recorded all my routes so have all the GPX files if you are interested (from that you can figure out where I camped etc if you are bothered).


and to answer this, I would be interested in viewing the gpx files. Although, as you have already spent probably a lot of time replying to me (which i appreciate) don't feel like you have to.
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Hello,
well this is useful. i am cycling bergen to oslo at the end of june/start of july
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I've cycled that route (roughly) between Oslo and Gothenberg but in the opposite direction. It's nice enough but a bit boring compared to the fjords further north. The area around Oslo is very forested and can be a bit monotonous.

It's still a great cycle and the Swedish coast is very nice but I can't help feeling the route would be more interesting in the opposite direction, as it would build more, or even heading north from Bergen towards Trondheim. You'll kind of feel like you're winding down towards the end by going south.
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CBreeze wrote:
and to answer this, I would be interested in viewing the gpx files. Although, as you have already spent probably a lot of time replying to me (which i appreciate) don't feel like you have to.


GPX files from Gothenburg to Trondheim:

https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776693
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776691
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776688
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776687
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776685
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776715
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776713
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776711
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776712
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776708
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776710
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776706
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776707
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776705
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776704
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776702
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776700
https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8776699


Thanks man! really appreciate your doing that. Will come in handy, especially as I'm now considering going in the opposite direction from Gothenburg to Bergen / Trondheim. I know where I can potentially camp now. You seem to have covered some large distances too. Nice.
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khain wrote:I've cycled that route (roughly) between Oslo and Gothenberg but in the opposite direction. It's nice enough but a bit boring compared to the fjords further north. The area around Oslo is very forested and can be a bit monotonous.

It's still a great cycle and the Swedish coast is very nice but I can't help feeling the route would be more interesting in the opposite direction, as it would build more, or even heading north from Bergen towards Trondheim. You'll kind of feel like you're winding down towards the end by going south.


Hmm lots of people here seem to recommend Norways West coast over going to Sweden, so might end up getting a cargoship to gothernburg (so I can see a bit of sweden and I know that route exists as well) and then head towards trondheim. Not decided what I'll do, but thanks for the comment.
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RobCyclist wrote:
khain wrote:I've cycled that route (roughly) between Oslo and Gothenberg but in the opposite direction. It's nice enough but a bit boring compared to the fjords further north. The area around Oslo is very forested and can be a bit monotonous.

It's still a great cycle and the Swedish coast is very nice but I can't help feeling the route would be more interesting in the opposite direction, as it would build more, or even heading north from Bergen towards Trondheim. You'll kind of feel like you're winding down towards the end by going south.


Hmm lots of people here seem to recommend Norways East coast over going to Sweden, so might end up getting a cargoship to gothernburg (so I can see a bit of sweden and I know that route exists as well) and then head towards trondheim. Not decided what I'll do, but thanks for the comment.

Personally, I like the rural roads winding through forest and farm. I can see that more than a few days of Sweden could be a bit boring, but I don't think just the route from Oslo to Gothenberg would be too much. I think it's worth seeing Sweden, and the cycling is a bit easier. However, it's true that Norway's west coast can't be beat for dramatic scenery, and I have to admit that if it was my choice, I'd pick Atlanterhavsveien over the Oslofjord.
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hufty wrote:
iviehoff wrote:...sometimes the airport also matters, for example Norwegian refuses to load bicycles at Gatwick.

Not any more - it changed a few months ago: http://www.norwegian.com/uk/travel-info ... equipment/

In answer to the OP yes I have a small petrol stove (Svea 123) which has travelled out and back with me on a number of occasions. I don't think I have ever eaten out in a restaurant in Norway. You are usually required to tell the airline in advance that you're taking a stove, and you have to do this and that to nullify any risk but I always think that if there are notes against my boooking it shouldn't be a problem. Touch wood.

Wild camping in the fjords can be tricky as mentioned, but after a bit you get your eye in. A good bet is often to go up one of the service tracks that lead up to telegraph poles. After a difficult push up you can usually find a clear bit, which may even be flat enough and dry enough to have a good night's sleep on.


I checked with Norwegian...

Me: I read somewhere that bikes are not allowed from London Gatwick unless they're in a hard case but I can't find this info on your website. Please advise me whether or not plastic bike bags such as the CTC one are acceptable from LGW.

Norwegian: Hello Alan, unfortunately it is correct, London, Los Angeles, and Bangkok s only accept bicycles in a hard case. The information has not been updated on our website, but we will remind our team to do so. Kind regards, Antonio.
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Hi Rob,

How was your trip? sounds fab!

Did you manage to get a cargo ship? Sounds like a great way to travel. We're looking into how to get to Denmark or Scandinavia with an electric Yuba Mundo longtail, a touring bike with kid's bike on follow-me tandem, camping gear and possibly a trailer. We really don't want to drive and previous overnight ferry trips worked really well. Unfortunately there no longer seem to be ferries to Ejsberg or even Hamburg. We've done Holland and Brittany which were great but would be nice to do something different. Trains are difficult with a longtail cargo bike, specially if one person can't lift it and you have 2 kids to watch!

I've looked into cargo ships a bit - Immingham no longer takes passengers and I haven't found any other routes. Which route/operator did you use? Any suggestions/advice appreciated!

Thanks, Kate
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