Not innocent, more playing the the innocent.Mick F wrote:Mike Sales wrote:Your innocence does you credit, Mick.
So you were not sincere in deducing that the data you don't like must be wrong for that reason? Come on.
Not innocent, more playing the the innocent.Mick F wrote:Mike Sales wrote:Your innocence does you credit, Mick.
Mick F wrote:Put it another way.
Lets say we aren't cyclists on here, and not interested in cycling at all.
Helmet compulsion came in.
Numbers of cyclists decreased.
Numbers of injuries increased.
Are these facts connected?
If so, why?
Mick F wrote:Helmet compulsion came in.
Numbers of cyclists decreased.
Numbers of injuries increased.
Are these facts connected?
If so, why?
Mick F wrote:I'm sure the facts and the graph are correct, and I'm personally sure the correlation and connection are correct too, but that doesn't PROVE it beyond reasonable doubt as perceived by the non-cyclist man on the Clapham omnibus.
Are they investigating?Steady rider wrote:It is the duty of the NZ government to fully investigate the issues.
Yes, bizarre.mjr wrote:It's also rather bizarre for such a disproportionate intervention to be assumed worthwhile, rather than helmets having to prove their worth first.
Labrat wrote:We seem to be sucking ourselves down a nasty path whereby instead of making an argument against compulsion (as it has effects on participation etc), people are now trying to justify an argument that *for an existing cyclist* not wearing a helmet is safer than wearing a helmet.
Millions of parents take it as an article of faith that putting a bicycle helmet on their children, or themselves, will help keep them out of harm's way.
But new data raise questions about that assumption. The number of head injuries sustained in bicycle accidents has increased 10 percent since 1991, even as helmet use has risen sharply, according to figures compiled by the Consumer Product Safety Commission. With ridership declining over the same period, the rate of head injuries among bicyclists has increased 51 percent even as the use of bicycle helmets has become widespread.