Scotland - do you predict that it will be an independent administrative political entity within 10 years?

[Jdsk]

I've also read that the SNP won't likely be making a legal challenge to the
Section 35 which will prevent the Gender Recognition Bill from proceeding. If true it's going to be quietly ditched. It begs the question what Scottish Labour - whose MSPs were whipped to vote for it will say.

I’m the first to admit I’m totally confused over this GRB.
I’ve read we were just catching up with 18 other countries (350 million people) who are ahead of us with this bill. Is there a significant difference with this Scotland bill and other countries?
...

It's similar to how it's managed in some other countries, and Scotland is the tenth country in Europe to adopt this approach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Re ... Background
https://commission.europa.eu/document/b ... 110d486_en
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... er-rights/

Judicial review hearing starts today.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/poli ... n-30967568

Jonathan

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,
So 2 1/2 years down the line we are now seven an a half years left to run.
Has anything changed?
Does anybody think anything will change?
I can't see anything changing in my lifetime.
Why because if Scotland truly became independent they would be a separate country and we would no longer have that deal with them they would then be incredibly vulnerable to be taken over invaded by sea, By any number of countries with enough clout and hardware to force them south of the border.
I'm just being realistic would I want independence if I was living in Scotland.
You have to accept what independence would really mean as opposed to hanging on to a lifeline paid for by another country?

[Pebble]

thankfully with useless yousaf in charge we won't be heading for indi anytime soon. See they have bee lying about the wind energy now. no surprises there. I know - ts westministers fault.

[Jdsk]

Whatever it was that happened in the SNP will delay any further steps.

But defence isn't a major problem. An independent Scotland in NATO and the EU wouldn't be especially small or especially vulnerable. And would probably avoid the distraction of attempting to be able to project military power anywhere in the world.

Jonathan

[VinceLedge]

I think the likelihood of even another vote on Scottish Independence is receding day by day as the SNP are imploding.
There are many issues to be considered if genuinely considering Independence, which don't really get publicly discussed in Scotland, including foreign policy, defence, diplomatic service, vehicle licensing, land border, transport regulation etc. Defence probably isn't the most vital to worry about!

[Paulatic]

I'm just being realistic would I want independence if I was living in Scotland.
You have to accept what independence would really mean as opposed to hanging on to a lifeline paid for by another country?

Obviously I don’t think you would want independence.
Yes that’s right not a single person or business in Scotland pays tax and obviously no resources have ever propped up a U.K. Gov.

[toontra]

Another nail in the coffin for Scottish independence. The SNP's education policy ("curriculum for excellence" ) has been an unmitigated disaster. Apart from the corruption investigations underway, they have now been shown to be incompetent in one of their prime delegated areas of responsibility - the education of future generations.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67580173

And yes - I am conflating SNP with the push for independence - it's their raison d être.

Scotland used to be proud, and rightly so, of its education system and was the envy of the world. I myself was the beneficiary of a Scottish state primary education. When our family moved to England in the 60's I was put ahead initially one - subsequently two - years! Anecdotal, but mirrors many other stories.

As I observed here last year - viewtopic.php?p=1704889#p1704889

[rualexander]

Why because if Scotland truly became independent they would be a separate country and we would no longer have that deal with them they would then be incredibly vulnerable to be taken over invaded by sea, By any number of countries with enough clout and hardware to force them south of the border.
I'm just being realistic would I want independence if I was living in Scotland.
You have to accept what independence would really mean as opposed to hanging on to a lifeline paid for by another country?

This is complete and utter nonsense.

[Pebble]

Why because if Scotland truly became independent they would be a separate country and we would no longer have that deal with them they would then be incredibly vulnerable to be taken over invaded by sea, By any number of countries with enough clout and hardware to force them south of the border.
I'm just being realistic would I want independence if I was living in Scotland.
You have to accept what independence would really mean as opposed to hanging on to a lifeline paid for by another country?

Not sure they would need much clout or hardware , our delightful leader is desperate for our country to be taken over.

Have you met our first minister

[pwa]

Would an independent Scotland be any more vulnerable than the independent Republic of Ireland? Nah! But it would create another UK / EU land border, if Scotland were admitted to the EU, which would be another headache for all concerned. Would the EU want that?

[Jdsk]

Another nail in the coffin for Scottish independence. The SNP's education policy ("curriculum for excellence" ) has been an unmitigated disaster. Apart from the corruption investigations underway, they have now been shown to be incompetent in one of their prime delegated areas of responsibility - the education of future generations.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67580173

And yes - I am conflating SNP with the push for independence - it's their raison d être.

Scotland used to be proud, and rightly so, of its education system and was the envy of the world. I myself was the beneficiary of a Scottish state primary education. When our family moved to England in the 60's I was put ahead initially one - subsequently two - years! Anecdotal, but mirrors many other stories.

As I observed here last year - viewtopic.php?p=1704889#p1704889

The PISA findings are concerning:
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education ... 3f23881-en
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/914 ... 149c2f5-en

I'd be very interested in analysis of what's happened if anyone can find it.

Jonathan

[Jdsk]

Would an independent Scotland be any more vulnerable than the independent Republic of Ireland? Nah! But it would create another UK / EU land border, if Scotland were admitted to the EU, which would be another headache for all concerned. Would the EU want that?

There would be many issues to work out on the border between an independent Scotland and England.

But the EU would be obliged to consider an application from an independent Scotland. And is very used to reaching agreement on many much more difficult external borders. And with lots more to come.

Jonathan

PS: Agreement on the Irish land border after the UK decided to leave the EU hasn't been an enormous problem for the EU. It has been for the DUP and some of the factions of the Conservative Party.

[pwa]

Would an independent Scotland be any more vulnerable than the independent Republic of Ireland? Nah! But it would create another UK / EU land border, if Scotland were admitted to the EU, which would be another headache for all concerned. Would the EU want that?

There would be many issues to work out on the border between an independent Scotland and England.

But the EU would be obliged to consider an application from an independent Scotland. And is very used to reaching agreement on many much more difficult external borders. And with lots more to come.

Jonathan

PS: Agreement on the Irish land border after the UK decided to leave the EU hasn't been an enormous problem for the EU. It has been for the DUP and some of the factions of the Conservative Party.

I'd imagine the newly independent Scotland would be hoping for a very open, invisible border, but the EU would be worried about (and being a bit facetious here ) Northumberland sausages, or whatever, coming in without full paperwork. I would be surprised if the prospect of all that fuss didn't have EU officials rolling their eyes.

[Jdsk]

I’m the first to admit I’m totally confused over this GRB.
I’ve read we were just catching up with 18 other countries (350 million people) who are ahead of us with this bill. Is there a significant difference with this Scotland bill and other countries?
...

It's similar to how it's managed in some other countries, and Scotland is the tenth country in Europe to adopt this approach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Re ... Background
https://commission.europa.eu/document/b ... 110d486_en
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... er-rights/

Judicial review hearing starts today.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/poli ... n-30967568

NB date.

Scottish government's petition unsuccessful:
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/defa ... f2051764_1
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-p ... reform-law

Jonathan

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,

Whatever it was that happened in the SNP will delay any further steps.

But defence isn't a major problem. An independent Scotland in NATO and the EU wouldn't be especially small or especially vulnerable. And would probably avoid the distraction of attempting to be able to project military power anywhere in the world.

Jonathan

The EU?
I thought getting in the EU was quite a difficult job along with if they were too small they wouldn't get in anyway?
Why because the big guns in the EU don't particularly want to support a small country without a lot of money, we are big subsidies would be paid in and not come out of That country?