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by reohn2
18 Mar 2024, 3:57pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?
Replies: 30
Views: 751

Re: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?

CG
I'm saying Labour should ignore the middle ground,I'm saying the country needs a radical rethink,within the middle ground.
The electorate has never had more of a downer on politics and politicians,they have never mistrusted the political system more than now as long as I can remember,they need help,vision and as you say the people taking along with them,that's a huge task ATM.
Starmer will need to "step up to the plate" as the saying goes,he's not done that so far IMO,the Tories are toast but their replacement will be too if Starmer and Labour don't shape themselves by makeing some real change,he's not in power yet and he's spinning like top on promises and policies!
by reohn2
18 Mar 2024, 2:08pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: UK Politics
Replies: 933
Views: 72483

Re: UK Politics

Thanks I'll read the links at leisure,but they seem like another Tory scam IMO.
by reohn2
18 Mar 2024, 2:05pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: What a thoroughbred.
Replies: 3
Views: 460

Re: What a thoroughbred.

A or should that be the fantastic sportswoman of modern times!
by reohn2
18 Mar 2024, 1:59pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?
Replies: 30
Views: 751

Re: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?

CC
the problems I mentioned along with law and order and the justice system are some of the rmost pressing problems that need sorting ASAP,if the next government doesn't make some very serious inroads into solving them they'll be toast at the following GE.
That needs radical government eg;1945 Atlee radical,people sick and tired of being lied to with the poorest being trampled under foot by the creeps now running this sh*tshow.
by reohn2
18 Mar 2024, 10:08am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: UK Politics
Replies: 933
Views: 72483

Re: UK Politics

I've just heard Kemmy Badenoch descripe the £10million donation to the Tory party by an abject racist who won't apologise and the party won't return the money as,trivia!
Just how deep in the sand have the Tories buried their heads on this and many other similar issues?
by reohn2
18 Mar 2024, 10:04am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?
Replies: 30
Views: 751

Re: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?

Carlton green wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 7:51am So long as Starmer is to the left of who else would otherwise get in power (ie. The Tories) I’m happy for him to pursue votes first. Keeping worse governance (ie. The Tories) out must be the first priority and once that is achieved better governance has the chance to follow. Unfortunately too few people understand that simple fact and regard ideology as more important than actually being in power and able to influence events.
I agree with the first sentence but the question is how much better will things get,I'd be willing to wait a reasonable time to see that happen but fear once in power the move to the left wouldn't be far enough.That move needs to be a better economy for all and not just the chosen few,some real movement to a better education system,NHS and transport system,plus a realignment with EU trade ATM it's crippling the economy especially small businesses especially exporters,and whilst we're at it the uber rich made pay their fair whack of taxes.A real levelling up if you will!
How's that for ideological start?
by reohn2
18 Mar 2024, 9:53am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?
Replies: 30
Views: 751

Re: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?

cycle tramp wrote: 18 Mar 2024, 8:22am Apologies - I've completely failed to write my original in a way that couldn't be taken personally....
...there are many reasons why people can't do all or any of the above - from disabilities, as you've mentioned to living in high rise flats, or lack of access and things like that...
I didn't take it personally ,I was giving a personal account that could equally apply to many people with many and varied reasons why they can't take your advice.
There are also many people who won't as it's not in their nature or lifestyle.
...at this stage we return to the 10% paradigm... if 10% of those would could, would.... then we could change everything in a handful of years.
Could you explain in detail how that would work effecively?
..case in point- rats. Having chickens means that I attract rats... however rats use sight to detect preditors but smell to detect food - if we were to plant our town centres with lemon balm, lavender and other strongly smelling plants - not only would we make our town centres more attractive, but also reduce rat incidents....
Rats,Pigeons and grey Squirrels thrive on waste casually left for them by humans,much of which is in back alleyways and streets where trees and plants can't be planted.If humans werent such a wasteful and lazy species casually leaving litter and food waste about the place,fast food waste usually,we wouldn't have such a problem.
FWIW I personally avoid towns and cities as much as I possibly can,I find them uncomfortable places to visit.
by reohn2
18 Mar 2024, 12:03am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: UK Politics
Replies: 933
Views: 72483

Re: UK Politics

Does anyone know what SEZs are?
I'd never heard of them but here's Carol Vorderman discussing them with David Powell:- https://youtu.be/WJTw8gGES8Y?si=kpfPqdp2lh-uteyX
by reohn2
17 Mar 2024, 5:29pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?
Replies: 30
Views: 751

Re: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?

cycle tramp wrote: 17 Mar 2024, 4:11pm
reohn2 wrote: 17 Mar 2024, 11:36am Lierally the fabric of society is crumbling about us as the rich get ever richer and the poorest of trampled on,it truly is depessing.
I think we need to be the change we wish to see in our society.

We could be the examples to others that by moving under our own power, growing and harvesting our own food and perhaps energy, and through our support of our local businesses we can bring around positive changes and empowered
My personal circumstances a) I have a severely disabled wife who can't "move under her own power" and needs a wheelchair for anything but short walks so we need a car to move around,do the shopping and offer her some semblance of normality
b)the harvesting of my own food from such a small garden as we have wouldn't be worth the effort,or desirable for me as a full time carer.I'm no gardener nor ever have been.
c)I do support local businesses where possible.
without having to go on protest marches
Last protest march was one I organised against the Iraq war in 2001(?).
Sadly - for me, any type of political intervention to solve our current issues is doomed. The government (by which I mean the civil service, and their ideas, the lobbyists, and the special interests groups and their view of the world) will always get in.
I'm coming around to that way of thinking,politics has been "gamed" in favour of the rich to the n th degree....
by reohn2
17 Mar 2024, 3:09pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?
Replies: 30
Views: 751

Re: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?

Pebble wrote: 17 Mar 2024, 12:46pm Starmer will be alright if he can sail in a straight line, but there is a lot of crew that want to tack heavily to port, if that happens we will flounder on the rocks, we're in treacherous waters


(i'm under several warnings so could disappear at any moment, if so, bye all and I have enjoyed your company)
The country is already on the rocks and floundering,and that politicians never been held in such low esteem by the electorate.
First off the ship is in need of major repair to make it seaworthy,our whole political system is a cesspit of overt corruption that fails miserably to serve the people it should be serving the buying of politicians by big business,the Murdochs and other oligarchs of this world,UK politics is in urgent need of complete reform,until that happens there'll be no democracy in the UK,one only need look at the Brexit debacle to realise what's been going on for far too long.
by reohn2
17 Mar 2024, 12:34pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?
Replies: 30
Views: 751

Re: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?

Simonineaston
Cheers!
Sadly I don't think you're far off the mark there.
by reohn2
17 Mar 2024, 12:27pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?
Replies: 30
Views: 751

Re: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?

Mike Sales wrote: 17 Mar 2024, 12:00pm .....It will take political will and public spirit. Have we still got that?
I don't think we have got that,after WW2 the country in the previous six years of war the country was united and determined to make things,prior to WW2 things were as they are presently with a huge gap between rich and poor,since the 1970's things resorted slowly to as they were previously in the past 14years that has accelerated,corruption is as bad as any third world country and public services in steep decline.
We have a situation where the likes of our present PM his family and a very few others having more wealth than the remaining 50% of the country,that has been orchestrated by the uber rich which own and control the media by buying democracy by the rich for the rich.
AFAICS Starmer is on that same hook but I love to be proved wrong.

This country needs a radical rethink and nothing short of political revolution will change anything,we could be reaching a watershed but people are fickle and tend to follow snakeoil salesmen and the like.

Personally I've got to the stage where I can't bear to watch either Sunak or Starmer spouting.I do watch QT and note the audiences over the past few years giving short shrift to the politicians on the panels,I'm hoping for change but feel there's no one radical enough to make that change.

EDIT:- just to add that as long as money buys polics the ordinary people will suffer and that's because like a drug for the blood(money)suckers at the top enough is never enough.
by reohn2
17 Mar 2024, 11:36am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?
Replies: 30
Views: 751

Just how long will it take to turn this ship around?

Will the doing of 14years of disasterous government ever be put right and the country be anywhere near leveled up?
I'll be honest I've never been more cynical of either of the two major parties likely to form a UK government,I'm 71 and I can't see the country ever,in my lifetime,getting back on it's feet and being a truly democratic country that cares for poorest and makes the rich pay their fair share.
Lierally the fabric of society is crumbling about us as the rich get ever richer and the poorest of trampled on,it truly is depessing.
by reohn2
16 Mar 2024, 2:52pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Should the BBC be privatised?
Replies: 114
Views: 4346

Re: Should the BBC be privatised?

I can't add anything mre than what Toontra and Mike Sales have already posted :D
by reohn2
11 Mar 2024, 3:04pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: UK Politics
Replies: 933
Views: 72483

Re: UK Politics

djnotts wrote: 11 Mar 2024, 2:08pm Anderson and Reform:

"Speaking at a press conference, Mr Anderson said he was "prepared to gamble on myself" because he said he knew "how many people support Reform and what they have to say".

"All I want is my country back," he added." (BBC News)

Yeah, so do I pal. Only it's not the one YOU want.
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