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by MattHodges
1 Mar 2021, 7:33pm
Forum: Proposed Membership Changes - Discussion
Topic: Your Cycling UK membership expires today.
Replies: 30
Views: 6956

Re: Your Cycling UK membership expires today.

I wrote The trustees are now trying to stop cyclists from touring far away countries that require them to fly there.
MJR replied
How are they doing this, pray tell? I may have missed spotting the CUK campaigns to stop airlines taking bikes, or barricading the cycle routes into the airports.

Well they are banning any advertising in Cycle of cycling holidays that involve flying to the start and it appears instructing CTC holidays not to offer holidays with flying to the start or back from the finish. Of course this does not stop a person arranging an independent holiday in Australia or the Far East but it does make it very difficult for most people to experience cycling in these countries. The next thing will be another resolution to stop CTC insurance extending outside Europe.

I have no wish to go on a foreign holiday but I think that is a decision for me not for Cycling UK trustees.

I did vote for CTC to become a charity on the basis of the promos that it wouldn't have any detriment to the service to members of the club. Sadly we were deceived. Regional representatives have been abolished. Central support for local member groups is minimal. Potential Trustees have to be approved by a nominations committee so elections are a farce. The touring information library previously managed by Mark Waters has been allowed to virtually disappear. What does it do for me as a committed cyclist interested in leisure rides and touring?

The treatment of older members most of whom have supported the club for decades is appalling and the two faced way it was announced as being in the interests of fairness made the 57% increase in their membership even worse.

You may think I an just carping because my fees have gone up but it isn't so. My wife and I have just joined British Cycling at a cost greater than the Cycling UK household membership. We could have got third party insurance by joining the London Cycling Campaign at £25 each. No! it's not sour grapes. It is disgust at the way the trustees have treated members.

Matt
by MattHodges
1 Mar 2021, 11:59am
Forum: Proposed Membership Changes - Discussion
Topic: Your Cycling UK membership expires today.
Replies: 30
Views: 6956

Your Cycling UK membership expires today.

I joined the Cyclists Touring Club many decades ago.
It was a club for real touring and leisure cyclists and provided services for them.
The trustees are now trying to stop cyclists from touring far away countries that require them to fly there.
Political correctness rules.
They no longer value older members who have supported the club for decades except as a potential source of legacies.
I don’t recognise Cycling UK as the club I joined.
Why would I renew?

Matt
by MattHodges
8 Sep 2020, 9:56pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC AGM 2020
Replies: 44
Views: 2769

Re: CTC AGM 2020

The chair does not get to cast "unallocated" votes (whatever they are).

The chair gets to cast proxy votes where the member has nominated the chair to vote for them as their proxy and has given the chair the authority to decide how to cast that vote. That's a conscious and deliberate decision by the member. You might not like it but it's what the member has chosen to do. It's how it works in companies, charities and membership organisations across the land.
The chair gets to cast proxy votes where the member has nominated the chair to vote for them as their proxy and has given the chair the authority to decide how to cast that vote. That's a conscious and deliberate decision by the member. You might not like it but it's what the member has chosen to do. It's how it works in companies, charities and membership organisations across the land
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No! If a member who isn't going to be at the meeting wants to vote on any resolution he has to appoint a proxy and unless he knows someone who will be there he has to appoint the chair as proxy.
Any resolution he actually votes on online or on the paper are cast as per his instructions but any resolution where he does not positively vote for against or abstain is a vote he has not allocated. These are unallocated votes used by the chair to dominate the vote on that resolution. The member hasn't positively asked the chair to vote for him on that resolution. It happens by default. The only way he can stop that happening is to positively vote on it himself.

What I want to know is how many of the 2075 votes FOR resolution 4 were votes cast by the member and how many were votes where the member had not bothered to vote so the chair had chosen to pile those votes into the FOR basket to outweigh the 1418 actual members votes AGAINST. 1418 votes against is a very high vote against a board sponsored resolution. The difference between FOR and AGAINST was only 657. I find it incredible that more than 1418 members had actually chosen to vote FOR resolution 4 rather than just not bothered to vote on this issue.

Allowing the chair to outvote all the members who actually cast their vote is an abuse of the voting system worthy of Belarus.
by MattHodges
7 Sep 2020, 10:56pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC AGM 2020
Replies: 44
Views: 2769

Re: CTC AGM 2020

I agree with Philip regarding the unsatisfactory and undemocratic nature of the chair having the discretion over unallocated votes. Any unallocated votes should be automatically abstains or spoiled votes. The present system makes a mockery of the members vote.
How many actual members votes were recorded for, against and abstain for each resolution and how many members votes were decided by the chair? will you tell us or are you ashamed of the answer?
by MattHodges
21 Aug 2020, 9:59pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: Disagreement with AGM resolutions
Replies: 165
Views: 12408

Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

by simonhill » 17 Aug 2020, 6:00pm

roberts8 wrote:
I have just noticed cycling holidays gave 20 percent income to Cuk last year so it seems like shooting yourself in the foot and offending a large segment of the membership by increasing their fees . Seems an odd agenda to follow to me.


Yes, but all the oldies will be paying 20 quid a year more in subs. Job done!


No! Quite a lot of us old cash cows won't bother to renew. We are fed up with being taken for granted by the trustees.
by MattHodges
14 Aug 2020, 9:39pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: Disagreement with AGM resolutions
Replies: 165
Views: 12408

Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

A few years ago to describe someone as green meant they were ignorant or didn't understand things. Perhaps that meaning still applies in Cycling UK.
Matt H
by MattHodges
13 Aug 2020, 11:15pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: Disagreement with AGM resolutions
Replies: 165
Views: 12408

Re: Disagreement with AGM resolutions

I hope that if this motion goes through CTC Tour Leaders will abandon CTC holidays and set up a new organisation Real Cyclists' Touring Holidays perhaps affiliated to British Cycling. I am too old for moving on tours now but I would be happy to book for their first birthday rides holiday in a suitable centre in Britain.
After Cycling UK let York Rally collapse a group of volunteers have resurrected York Rally as an independent event. I have been every year since they restarted it and was booked for this year until Covid 19 forced it to be abandoned. There is real cycling outside of Cycling UK.
Matt H
by MattHodges
4 Aug 2020, 11:01pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: Disagreement with AGM resolutions
Replies: 165
Views: 12408

Disagreement with AGM resolutions

Apart from the proposed membership changes other resolutions are very detrimental to the nature of our club.

Resolution 5 is also disconcerting increasing as it will the power of the trustees to ignore the membership. As it says - the the effect of part 1 of the resolution is to remove the requirement to have a proper AGM. Another part increases the power of the trustees to co-opt more trustees. When taken together with the requirement for anyone standing as an elected trustee to be approved by the nominations committee this further concentrates power in the hands of the trustees and reduces members ability to scrutinise their actions.

Resolution 6. Stopping promotion of cycling holidays that involve flying (yes the wording says reduce and ultimately stop) Effectively this means they are trying to stop cyclists touring in far off countries. Many members have toured in India or Australia. Could they have done that without flying there and back? How can cyclists tour in Australia, New Zealand or the Americas without flying? Ultimately this resolution will stop CTC Holidays from running tours in far away places - and stop companies who do run such tours advertising in the magazine. This is an attack on the very basis of our Cyclists' Touring Club. I have only ever had two holidays involving flying and they weren’t cycling holidays but to try and stop cyclists touring in this way is an attack on the history and purpose of the club and its members.

Sadly CTC rebranded as Cycling UK is no longer a club for members who enjoy cycling it is a political campaigning vehicle for a bunch of trustees who use members to support their own agenda. Is this why you and other members joined CTC? It's certainly not the CTC I joined.

Of course it is up to each individual member to decide how to vote but it is certainly appropriate to encourage members to read the resolutions very carefully and to point out the problems with them and to encourage members to then vote and not to allow the chair of the meeting to choose how to cast their vote. In this time of limited meeting with other members I also think local member groups should help circulate members views on the forthcoming national AGM. I will be t
trying to encourage the members of my member group to check the resolutions and to VOTE.

Matt
by MattHodges
2 Aug 2020, 11:26am
Forum: Proposed Membership Changes - Discussion
Topic: Membership rates
Replies: 215
Views: 17402

Re: Membership rates

I have just read the proposed changes to membership which amounts to a kick in the teeth to the hard working core of members who run our local groups and campaign at grass roots level.

This appalling proposal addresses senior members as follows "As a senior member you are likely to have been with Cycling UK for many years, and we thank you for your loyal and valued support.” then goes on to thank those loyal and valued cash cows with a 57% increase in their membership fee. SOME THANK YOU!

Ever since we made the mistake of allowing CTC to become a charity the so called “Trustees” have lost interest in the core membership and local groups.

If this proposal goes through I will probably not renew my membership and will be encouraging my local group members to do likewise. 90% of us are over 65. I have supported CTC both locally and in campaigning for more years than I care to mention but sadly I can’t support the present “Trustees” who have manipulated the rules so we can no longer vote for local members of our choice but can only vote for trustees hand picked by the existing trustees. (A bit like the Chinese elections.)

It’s time for us all to talk to our local group members and ensure we vote down this outrageous proposal.
by MattHodges
25 Jan 2013, 11:23pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: Cyclists Welcome - a printed guide?
Replies: 21
Views: 216469

Re: Cyclists Welcome - a printed guide?

I used to think this would be useful but now i am very doubtful. I put in several suggestions for places we had stayed to the online Cyclists Welcome. They didn't appear. Why? B&B operators are understandably reluctant to pay for an entry in a listing they know nothing about. I also get the impression that moderating the list at CTC was a spare time job for someone when He/she wasn't busy doing something more important.
A charged guide whether printed or online won't work unless it is done really professionally and has a very convincing large user base.
Having said that a lot of smaller B&B owners are very fed up with the Tourist Boards because of the high commissions on bookings through the TICs . The last time I used a Tourist board brochure I found there were no direct phone numbers they were all directed to the TICs so they could collect booking fees and commissions.
If that is still the case there might be a case for a free to advertise site that would carry a small standardised advertisement set up by the B&B and that needed to be renewed each year or two.(email reminder).
With any online site it should be easy to select and print or save offline a whole list of possible addresses and phone numbers of possible B&Bs near your proposed route. We like to tour on a day by day basis seldom booking more than a day ahead. Usually phoning B&Bs at lunch time for that night. Using the existing site I found it very hard to extract the information to make up a list of prospects. That was before smart phones and I suppose that would make it easier now to manage without a paper list.
So I think No to a charged book. Online site - Maybe if free to advertisers but is that good use of members subscriptions?
by MattHodges
12 Sep 2009, 6:39pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Inner City Cycle Lanes (& CTC policy?)
Replies: 79
Views: 4649

Re: Inner City Cycle Lanes (& CTC policy?)

You are all missing the elephant in the room. This report was based on measurements taken on similar main roads with and without cycle lanes and found that with lanes the AVERAGE passing distance was less by a few centimetres. That does not mean that all motors came closer. It doesn't mean that the nearest vehicles were closer. It isn't the car passing at the average distance that wipes you out it's the one passing at Zero clearance.

One of the sections used was the A6 near Garstang on which I ride frequently. Some is 50mph some 60. Where there are cycle lanes they are sub standard about 1.2 metres. Where there are no lanes some cars pass with 3 or 4 metres clearance when there is nothing coming the other way but others come really close. The average passing distance is quite large.
Where there are lanes all the motors stay outside the lanes mostly 300 to 900 outside the lane. The average passing distance is less but it is a lot safer as long as you ride within the lane. The problem arises where the lanes end at a junction because the highway authority thinks a right turn lane is more important than the cycle lane.

We need a further analysis of the data to identify not the AVERAGE passing distance but the numbers coming dangerously close. We also need to know how close to the outer edge of the lane the cyclist was riding.