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by bovlomov
15 Sep 2019, 10:32pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

It's obvious that Brexiters are more patriotic, and respect British values more than Remainers. Every day they demonstrate their deep love for our institutions - such as Parliament, the judiciary and the universities. More than that, they honour the Union and the Crown (e.g. they wouldn't dream of f...
by bovlomov
15 Sep 2019, 4:19pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

windmiller wrote:Only someone who does not believe in democracy could describe it as a tyranny of the majority.

No one but those democracy unbelievers.
by bovlomov
15 Sep 2019, 10:53am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

But a little "education" and a lot of knowedge do help when making decisions? Especially life changing ones. This question goes a lot wider than Brexit. Can there be democracy without information? Can there be democracy without education? Against a backdrop of ignorance and misinformation...
by bovlomov
14 Sep 2019, 10:51pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

What next, the Brexit Party manifesto? Ah. Ok... In future centuries historians will marvel that not a single copy of the Brexit Party manifesto has survived. Some will claim to have been shown one in circumstances of utmost secrecy, while others will piece together its likely contents (somehow rec...
by bovlomov
14 Sep 2019, 10:00pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

I've just re-read the Tory manifesto from 2017. I'd forgotten how pointless it was. But anyway it appears that the failure to implement it, with regards to Brexit, can mainly be laid at the door of the two Tory governments, rather than with Remainers in Parliament. It isn't Remain supporting MPs tha...
by bovlomov
14 Sep 2019, 8:44pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

The 2017 vote at which both main parties campaigned on a leave ticket. We should leave, but equally we shouldn't be so bloody stupid as to leave on a No Deal basis. Did they? The candidates were chosen before the manifesto was published. Kenneth Clark said he never read it. I think what happened wa...
by bovlomov
14 Sep 2019, 8:15pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

[ And will the well-meaning folk who rejected the result of the 2016 vote consider the long-term implications of their abandonment of democracy? That concerns me more than whether we are In or Out. The thinness of some people's democratic principles has been laid bare and that disappoints me. My co...
by bovlomov
14 Sep 2019, 7:28pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

I think plenty of folk were set on not accepting the referendum result from the start, and any excuse that came along was good enough for them. I was disappointed that May did not recognise the closeness of the result by seeking a close alliance with the EU through a customs union, etc, which would...
by bovlomov
14 Sep 2019, 7:17pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Lets get it done and get on with rebuilding Britain.l From the wreckage of Brexit? it is now evident that too many of them dont believe in real democracy. We'd have left by now if the Brexiters in the Tory Party hadn't voted against leaving. Did they vote against leaving because they are anti-democ...
by bovlomov
14 Sep 2019, 6:28pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

And will the well-meaning folk who rejected the result of the 2016 vote consider the long-term implications of their abandonment of democracy? In my view, the calling of a referendum was already an abandonment of democracy. If you think it wasn't, then there's no doubt that democracy was abandoned ...
by bovlomov
14 Sep 2019, 6:05pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

And will the well-meaning folk who rejected the result of the 2016 vote consider the long-term implications of their abandonment of democracy? In my view, the calling of a referendum was already an abandonment of democracy. If you think it wasn't, then there's no doubt that democracy was abandoned ...
by bovlomov
11 Sep 2019, 10:45pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Anyone have any further comments to make about Project Fear, in the light of tonight's partial publication of Yellowhammer? The main change from the leaked document has been the heading. Although the analysis is largely unchanged, the document is now described as 'HMG Reasonable Worst Case Planning ...
by bovlomov
11 Sep 2019, 4:51pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

As I understand it, the English judges opined that the judiciary had no remit or precedent for making a judgement about "a political matter". I'm no expert on the law but this sounds like a Pontius hand-wash to me. As the decision would in any case end up with the Supreme Court, it was mo...
by bovlomov
10 Sep 2019, 1:14pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

I wonder if getting it through Parliament is less important to Boris than "EU caved to my demands and did re-negotiate". He's having a General Election anyway. Changes to Backstop, untrue claims about reducing payment and significant changes to the political statement would allow him to c...
by bovlomov
10 Sep 2019, 12:55pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 19039
Views: 471728

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Seems more and more commentators are raising the possibility of a border in the Irish Sea and I can see the reasons they are thinking it now more likely. In part because Boris knows the EU would accept the change without any problem so it gives him something to go back to Parliament with "I've...