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by bovlomov
23 May 2019, 10:08am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Democracy comes in all sorts of forms. In Britain we have representative democracy in which referendums are anomolies foreign to our political tradition. Historically we distrust appeals to "ordinary people or just people" for yes/no decisions on serious matters. The reason for that is th...
by bovlomov
23 May 2019, 8:15am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

The trouble will start if democracy is ignored. Society will fall apart, Back stops even bus stops will cease to exist. I don't think ordinary people are stupid and know perfectly well that the system is abusing their self determination. No doubt we are seen as a joke by the rest of the world, this...
by bovlomov
22 May 2019, 8:47am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

stu1102 wrote:[Img]....[Img] (Nigel Lawson writing in the SUN)

Lawson is another lunatic. Either he is losing his memory or he is trying to rewrite history. There is nothing in Thatcher's approach to the EU that could be construed as support for any sort of Brexit, let alone for the Lawson version.
by bovlomov
21 May 2019, 4:47pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

...... These people are lunatics. Quite right! They howl at the moon more with each passing day,or should that each passing phase? :D Nutters the lot of 'em,if the voting public can't see the damage they've done to the country during their time in office,or what more rightwing lunatic governments w...
by bovlomov
21 May 2019, 3:26pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

What I find astoundingly mad is the Tories forecasting BoJo as hot favourite for PM,wonderously crazy bunch of people :? :shock: :lol :lol: That would be the result of an election by a shrinking Tory membership, not by the public. You have to wonder how a party that built its brand on perceived rel...
by bovlomov
20 May 2019, 8:01pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

How are YOU going to sort it? Quickly, simply and easily. Revoke article 50. A lot has been made of the terrible consequences of revocation. I think it's worth remembering that comparatively few people cared about the EU, one way or another, until 2016. The whole storm has been a media creation, di...
by bovlomov
20 May 2019, 10:07am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Better still would be to have them like we had before the EU. There were plenty of complaints about our borders before the we were in the EEC/EU. West Indians, Irish, Italians, Russians, Jews... all taking advantage of our lax immigration controls, taking our jobs, stealing our women, committing cr...
by bovlomov
13 May 2019, 10:50am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

al_yrpal wrote:The whole idea of the EU is protectionist. In addition to the EU theres a big wide world out there...

Are you arguing that post-Brexit we should not sign any trade agreements, as all such agreements are protectionist?
by bovlomov
10 May 2019, 9:59am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Morecambe Bay tidal power gateway!
Replies: 27
Views: 469

Re: Morecambe Bay tidal power gateway!

I take it the artist's impression is from the newsroom, rather than from the architect. A narrow two lane road with no verge, no barriers, and rocks either side seems rather hazardous.
by bovlomov
8 May 2019, 11:50am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

You can follow Ministerial directives without enthusiasm and back burner ideas and processes at your disposal unknown to politicians to attain fast track results. Just one aspect of the Establishments widespread campaign to destroy Brexit and frustrate the peoples vote. The opposite has been report...
by bovlomov
8 May 2019, 11:37am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

The vast majority of ex-pats are not leeching off UK taxpayers, but paying tax in their country of residence. I think Al's is a rather outdated picture of British emigrants: lounging about in packs, never learning the local language, coming back to the UK for medical treatment because they don't tr...
by bovlomov
8 May 2019, 10:53am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

There are lots of people, including the Civil Service, who don't support Brexit and are going to drag their feet on it. Like I said before, I suspected that would happen. I have seen no evidence, however, that the failure of Brexit has anything to do with civil service resistance. Brexit (at least ...
by bovlomov
7 May 2019, 11:34pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

If I was involved we would be out by now and concentrating on how to distribute the savings, If we'd left by now, even according to the most optimistic models there would be nothing but cuts to distribute. I think Rees Mogg had the break-even point at about 50 years, and Digby Jones was prepared to...
by bovlomov
7 May 2019, 5:16pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Hi Ian, Yes, the unelected Civil Service! It would take more pages than War & Peace to list the inappropriate practises that have screwed up our so called democratic process. Just think - When is a leak not a leak? When obfustication is required! TTFN MM Brilliant idea! Let's elect 330,000 civi...
by bovlomov
7 May 2019, 5:06pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 15679
Views: 379432

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

mercalia wrote:500 or so of them

Yes. I reckon many will feel rather stupid about that, if they have any self-awareness.

Still, the point stands: it can't be blamed on the civil service.