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by thirdcrank
20 Apr 2021, 8:15pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: National Close Pass Day (14/4/21)
Replies: 18
Views: 464

Re: National Close Pass Day (14/4/21)

I was all fired up on Friday to write to my PCC,
Up for re-election on 6 May. As good a time as any to write to the candidates
by thirdcrank
20 Apr 2021, 8:12pm
Forum: Using the Forum - request help : report difficulties
Topic: Deleting posts
Replies: 4
Views: 67

Re: Deleting posts

You can only delete a post with the x tab until somebody else posts.

The way to deal with this situation is to edit your first post (click on pencil icon) then edit the title to say some thing like GONE or SOLD. It's editing the title of your OP that notifies everybody of the changed situation
by thirdcrank
20 Apr 2021, 3:45pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Anyone smart enough to talk about 'leccy meters?
Replies: 41
Views: 757

Re: Anyone smart enough to talk about 'leccy meters?

None of our tellies is new, but they are obviously all digital. Tuning or retuning them is a total doddle: switch on, follow the menu and orf you jolly well go. My comparison is with the days when a trained television "engineer" faffed with the horizontal hold, vertical hold for half a day just to receive one B&W channel for a few hours each evening and a test card for the rest of the time.
by thirdcrank
20 Apr 2021, 1:31pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Tier 4 exercise limits
Replies: 315
Views: 13818

Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

I see they steered clear of North Yorkshire: probably scared of being ticketed.
by thirdcrank
20 Apr 2021, 10:28am
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Humber Bridge closed to cyclists & pedestrians indefinitely
Replies: 153
Views: 4491

Re: Humber Bridge closed to cyclists & pedestrians indefinitely

Check if anybody on the HBB is a representative of your local authority and write to them expressing your concerns, eg that the body of which they are a member is acting unlawfully. Mention the approaching local elections. As to whether that makes any difference, who knows?

Here's a start - they seem to be happy enough publishing their mugshots.

https://www.humberbridge.co.uk/humberbr ... r%20LEP%20
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While looking through all that I've found THE CONSTITUTION

https://www.humberbridge.co.uk/wp-conte ... s-2020.pdf

S 6 covers decisionmaking and includes this nugget
All decisions taken in the discharge of a function of the Board shall have regard to the following matters:
(...)
6.2.2 The need for consultation with interested parties
(...)
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It's occurred to me that the HBB is probably covered by the toothless watchdoggy, also known as the local government omsbuddy. Some thing of an obstacle course to register a complaint and the likelihood of success small, but the relevant authority cannot just fob them off.

https://www.lgo.org.uk/
by thirdcrank
20 Apr 2021, 9:49am
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Humber Bridge closed to cyclists & pedestrians indefinitely
Replies: 153
Views: 4491

Re: Humber Bridge closed to cyclists & pedestrians indefinitely

I don't know what's in the two earlier Humber Bridge acts so there might be something in there. Otherwise, in layman's terms the route over the bridge is a public road - thoroughfare if trying to talk posh. In terms of traffic management, not much different to any old road. The linked HB Act puts the HBB in the same position as what used to be the highway authority, more recently the traffic authority and for most people "the council," or that level of local authority responsible for roads.

Traffic authorities have various duties and powers to enable them to operate within a legal framework. Traffic regulation orders allow then to do what it says ie regulate traffic and are dealt with under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (linked above.) These fall into three categories: an ordinary TRO which is for things like one-way streets and prohibited manoeuvres; experimental eg we had one in Leeds for the experimental High Occupancy Vehicle Lane; and temporary, which covers things like major roadworks or emergencies like a landslip.

I can't see that any of those powers are relevant here which is in itself irrelevant as the boilerplate letter from the HBB to cUK says they haven't made a TRO of any sort.

AIUI, traffic authorities in general err on the side of caution with TROs in that they will often make one for even very minor road alterations if there is the slightest restriction of existing traffic. They have legal departments for this purpose. On the HB there are officials who, amongst other things have quasi-police powers in respect of traffic control, which I suspect somebody has assumed means they can close the HB to cyclists and pedestrians indefinitely and now reopen selectively. On the HBB there are representatives of the local authorities saddled with the debt and not much else on the agenda that would be bread-and-butter for the usual traffic authority.

Had the HB been built as a new "special road" usually a motorway, there would have been no requirement to provide for prohibited traffic, in this case cyclists and pedestrians, but it's always been a general purpose road so provision for cyclists and pedestrians must be provided in the longer term.

Enforcing rights of way etc is not something I know much about. I suspect it involves obtaining some sort of court order.
by thirdcrank
20 Apr 2021, 7:39am
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: European Super League: Ministers say they will work to block breakaway group
Replies: 8
Views: 124

Re: European Super League: Ministers say they will work to block breakaway group

Can someone explain the problem that has elevated this matter so high?
AIUI a lot of money has come into football (round ball version) over the last few years, particularly from television and associated sources. Inevitably, this tends to be concentrated on a few famous clubs, which in turn has brought in those who want to turn a quick buck. Once upon a time, being the chairman of a soccer club generally meant "investing" your own loot in the club as a vanity project. Top clubs forming their own exclusive league will concentrate the money even more.
by thirdcrank
20 Apr 2021, 7:23am
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Tier 4 exercise limits
Replies: 315
Views: 13818

Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

I see the police inspectorate has reported on policing the lockdown. BBC here

Covid: Police watchdog says officers confused by unclear pandemic laws

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56810031

Horse's mouth here

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk ... ring-2020/
by thirdcrank
19 Apr 2021, 10:40pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Humber Bridge closed to cyclists & pedestrians indefinitely
Replies: 153
Views: 4491

Re: Humber Bridge closed to cyclists & pedestrians indefinitely

mjr wrote: 7 Apr 2021, 12:40pm the 2013 Act makes the Humber Bridge Board a highway authority for RTRA (and so for TROs).
I fancy that if anything constrains the HBB here, it's this under s12 of that 2013 Act
(3) The Board is deemed to be the traffic authority for the highway on the bridge for the purposes of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984.
AIUI, the relevant bits of the RTRA which cover this are ss 1 and 2. Again AIUI, something like this needs a Traffic Regulation Order (TRO.)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/contents

There may be something else which would be obvious to a learned friend which I have missed.
by thirdcrank
19 Apr 2021, 8:41pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Humber Bridge closed to cyclists & pedestrians indefinitely
Replies: 153
Views: 4491

Re: Humber Bridge closed to cyclists & pedestrians indefinitely

I'd have to say I don't really know and I don't know where "significantly" came from there.

That General Powers section also has this:
(2) In exercising the powers of this section, the Board must have regard to the desirability of minimising in the longer term the level of tolls to be levied in respect of vehicles passing over or on the bridge.
I fancy that's a lawyers' way of saying 'there isn't money to burn.' They've revised the byelaws in conjunction with the 2013 Act.
4. Drivers of Vehicles, riders of Bicycles and horses and pedestrians shall comply with all notices and signals displayed on the Bridge or vehicle Parks by or under the authority of the Board and with directions given by an authorised officer which notices, signals and directions require traffic:- (etc.)
http://hb.coldstardev.co.uk/wp-content/ ... laws-1.pdf
by thirdcrank
19 Apr 2021, 8:19pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Anyone smart enough to talk about 'leccy meters?
Replies: 41
Views: 757

Re: Anyone smart enough to talk about 'leccy meters?

BITD, slot meters landed a lot of people in the criminal courts for breaking into their meter and stealing the contents or just recycling the same coin. Even worse in Scotland as it constitutes "opening lockfast premises" or OLP. IIRC, there's no equivalent of offences being taken into consideration (TIC) so a criminal record might have stacks of OLP listed for not very much. Slot meters might also be a target for burglars.

At the very least, key meters stop people from stealing coins / abstracting electricity in this way. Payment upfront helps prevent an unexpected bill, but AIUI that comes at a price in that AFAIK, this is generally the most expensive tariff available.
by thirdcrank
19 Apr 2021, 7:23pm
Forum: On the road
Topic: How to tackle restrictive gates / barriers
Replies: 66
Views: 2080

Re: How to tackle restrictive gates / barriers

I don't think anybody is suggesting that what might be called serious motor cyclists have any interest using these off-road routes but IME - obviously not recent, - beaten-up old mopeds, scrambler bikes and similar can be a real pain on routes like former railway tracks and also on large area, open parks etc and they can be difficult to deal with. the "Section 59" provision was partly aimed at this type of nuisance behaviour. When what is now the Spen Valley Greenway was in its early stages, the West Yorkshire Police motorcycle unit, which had some scrambling bikes as well as the bigger road bikes was locally reported to have done a lot of voluntary patrolling to tackle this problem.

https://www.sustrans.org.uk/find-a-rout ... -greenway/

IME - again not recent, reports usually come from residents fed up to the teeth with the noise, especially when silencers have been removed or have dropped off. I doubt if the riders ever travel more than a mile or two to get to their chosen place.
by thirdcrank
19 Apr 2021, 1:57pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: National Close Pass Day (14/4/21)
Replies: 18
Views: 464

Re: National Close Pass Day (14/4/21)

I've remembered a fairly recent thread started by Mike Sales about a report by the police inspectorate, Roads Policing: Not optional - An inspection of roads policing in England and Wales

viewtopic.php?p=1508569#p1508569

IIRC the only mention of cycling - in a report claiming to be about improving the safety of vulnerable road users - was a makeweight reference to Operation Close Pass. Bearing in mind that cUK organised the crowdfunding of £15,000 worth of mats, they have an interest here as stakeholders, in the lingo. If you want to influence the police service, the inspectorate is a good place to start because that's who controls many of the purse strings. A taste of that may be felt here, where the responses of the "police chiefs" of the forces inspected are linked (scroll right down.)

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk ... and-wales/

FWIW, I've read the response by the outgoing PCC for West Yorks and there's no mention of Close Pass.
by thirdcrank
19 Apr 2021, 12:34pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Strapping luggage to carradice saddlebag
Replies: 25
Views: 770

Re: Strapping luggage to carradice saddlebag

The second of Paul Smith's pics reminds me of an incident a few years ago when Camilla "was in collision with a cyclist." By the time the report had made it to the national media, the bike was described as having bread baskets fitted. Presumably some sub-editor had checked what panniers were and had used a dictionary definition.

Tempus fugit

viewtopic.php?p=274932#p274932