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by Labrat
27 May 2023, 4:23pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Ely riot, 2023
Replies: 158
Views: 8110

Re: Ely riot, 2023

ThePinkOne wrote: 27 May 2023, 4:03pm Two lads riding a bike.

Yeah he was giving a bakkie to his mate and yeah he's not supposed to...... but back in the day when the thing a kid wanted most for their birthday was a bike, these things happened.

Stuff like this stopped because the kids didn't want bikes any more, they wanted cars. However, whether we like lekky bikes or not, they are now an "I want" thing and surely it's better the lads grow up riding a bike (which may technically have more power than legal- although so do many of the "compliant" conversions.....) than illegally using a car.

This was a 16th birthday present not stolen, no doubt the parents worked hard and saved up. Yes, Ely is a working class area- note the "working" bit. The lads were whizzing about and yes it was not technically legal to be two up, but the video clip shows them riding on the ROAD- not pavement. (Could have just as easily been doing that on a Raleigh Chopper back in the day).

And as Ian pointed out up-thread, an e-bike could be going faster than 15mph perfectly legitimately.

Perhaps it's time we had a proper conversation about e-bikes and about loosening the regulations. Fact is, we're far better off in the long term persuading folks to swap their cars for e-bikes than for electrically driven cars, and if making e-bikes "desirable" through being low-cost and a decent speed for in-town commuting (e.g. 20mph, to go with all these 20mph zones about to spring up in Wales), then we've got a better chance.

The COVID malarkey got the polis far too accustomed to having power without proper accountability. Some of those cases are still wending their way through court (and will never be heard due to lack of court time, an informed source tells me). I know the job of the polis is difficult, but making it easier by picking on the easy targets whilst ignoring the more difficult stuff isn't going to end well.

TPO

It wasn’t a ‘street legal’ ebike. It was an electric motorbike.

some might think that in choosing to give their son an illegal electric motorbike capable of 40+mph, the parents should perhaps bear a significant portion of the responsibility here.
by Labrat
15 May 2023, 11:27pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Voter Fraud
Replies: 25
Views: 1218

Re: Voter Fraud

pete75 wrote: 15 May 2023, 9:11pm
A fairer system - yes. That would mean proportional representation , something those of you on the right oppose.
Bloody right wing nutters

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t-the-post
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... y-lib-dems
https://www.politics.co.uk/news-in-brie ... s-support/
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/04/27/keir ... reformers/
by Labrat
12 May 2023, 3:54pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Illegal to carry a bike lock & arrestable offence if locking your bike up impedes others
Replies: 141
Views: 12500

Re: Illegal to carry a bike lock & arrestable offence if locking your bike up impedes others

mjr wrote: 12 May 2023, 12:05pm Does anyone really feel that it is good to have a badly-written over-broad rushed-through law, just because you don't expect the police to use it as written? And how can you reasonably expect that when police have already used that law in what they call "regrettable" ways to arrest people?

It's a bad law. Repeal and try again.
Few people on the ‘political left’ were overly bothered about overly-broad or otherwise defective & fundamentally flawed legislation being rushed through when it involved firearm restrictions, or hunting with hounds, or dangerous dogs, were they?

Regardless, the legal position regarding this Australian woman’s arrest has been established for some time.
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The police are given an often impossible job to do (see recent uproar over shooting two dogs). Mistakes happen, some people need to get over themselves.
by Labrat
3 Apr 2023, 10:16pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists
Replies: 1299
Views: 70639

Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists

Jdsk wrote: 3 Apr 2023, 6:23pm we're bringing in barriers to voting that will cause widespread and selective suppression.
Got any data to back up that claim?
by Labrat
10 Mar 2023, 9:24pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

Jdsk wrote: 10 Mar 2023, 7:50pm Lineker suspended, Wright and Shearer boycotting in response.

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by Labrat
10 Mar 2023, 9:20pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

Jdsk wrote: 10 Mar 2023, 7:17pm This bears no resemblance to who needs health and social care and who provides it.

Immigrants are much younger and fitter than the native-born population and need much less care.

And many of them already educated and trained at someone else's expense.

The conclusion is "simply" false. If the immigration stopped there would be fewer staff to care for the native-born population.

Jonathan

PS: There is (and should be) a genuine concern about depriving poorer countries of trained staff. For Red List countries this has got worse since the UK Left the EU and changed its pattern of immigration.
This is partially true for EEA migrants but much less true for non-EEA migrants, which include a higher proportion of elderly family members (ie family and parents of previous migrants). It also ignores the significantly higher draw on maternity services resulting from migrant populations (about 21% of births) compared with their overall population share. Other concerns have been raised including higher levels of alcoholism among EU13+ migrants. Previous Migration Advisory Committee estimates calculate approx 89% of all NHS spend is on UK born residents (versus 86% population share) so while the burden is slightly lower, the overall proportion of NHS services directed at simply maintaining our current levels of immigration really isn’t far off the overall proportion of NHS staff from overseas. The two simply aren’t far off cancelling each other out.
by Labrat
10 Mar 2023, 6:57pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

briansnail wrote: 10 Mar 2023, 3:52pm.The current refugees need good schools and housing so we need to encourage legal immigration especially of nurses and doctors
The whole ‘NHS relies on immigration’ is rather amusing when you look at the numbers - 16.5% of NHS staff are foreign born… versus 14.5% of the U.K. population. So get rid of all the immigrants (reducing population by about 9.6 million), and the NHS wouldn’t need any foreign born employees. Simples.
by Labrat
9 Mar 2023, 10:46pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

Bonefishblues wrote: 9 Mar 2023, 10:00pm WRT substantial delay these people aren't hanging around having a great time being persecuted by the French Gendarmarie, waking up one day and thinking that today might be a nice day for a boat trip in an unsafe vessel. They're there specifically to follow the route of the illegal traffickers at the first opportunity.
Thanks for proving the point - they are in a safe third country where the delay in onward travel means they are no longer directly fleeing from danger/persecution.
by Labrat
9 Mar 2023, 9:29pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

Bonefishblues wrote: 9 Mar 2023, 9:04pm Can you explain the 'unsafe third country ' caveat please. I quoted directly from the judgement, unlike your assertions.

The new bill, by government lawyers' assessment, is more than 50% likely to break human rights laws - a declaration they are required to make when a bill is introduced. Perhaps we'll have to take the nuclear option and exit the ECHR and become a pariah state, who knows? The odds are stacked against this becoming an effective statute, even if passed, I'd suggest.

Or maybe it's simply making politics out of the misfortune of people without a voice whose modest level of entry over the past few years successive governments have signally failed to curb, despite increasing bellicosity to that end?
From the judgement. “even a substantial delay in an unsafe third country would be reasonable were the time spent trying to acquire the means of travelling on”

As for Human Rights law - Parliament is free to pass laws that are judged to be incompatible with human rights law, that’s how parliamentary sovereignty works - see the long history of U.K. prisoner voting laws for details.
by Labrat
9 Mar 2023, 8:49pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

Bonefishblues wrote: 9 Mar 2023, 7:00pm And of course it goes further and explicitly references that longer stays may be justifiable.

Perhaps stays such as those living in makeshift accommodation seeking passage* to an island nation such as ours?

*I'd like to have used the word 'safe' as a prefix here, but I fear their passage is anything but.
You missed out the caveat “in an unsafe third country”

France really isn’t that bad a place, even if the do eat too much garlic and still parler le langue de chiens.

Both caselaw and charter remain clear, anything less than *direct* travel removes protection. Trying to define direct is the only question, up until now that has been (as so often in our country) a matter of dog law. Fortunately, the new bill solves just that by creating a statutory definition, and I fear you’re not going to like it 😂
by Labrat
9 Mar 2023, 6:23pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

Mike Sales wrote: 9 Mar 2023, 6:11pm It does not, of course. It is just common humanity not to add to the misery of destitute people by standing on the letter of a law designed to help a different kind of refugee.
Except If they’re not fleeing “a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion.” Then they’re simply not, at law, a refugee.
by Labrat
9 Mar 2023, 6:00pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

Bonefishblues wrote: 9 Mar 2023, 5:47pm Could you please reference this.

Thank you.
Article 31 of the UN charter: https://www.unhcr.org/4d934f5f9.pdf
Paragraph 13 - 20 of judgement https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ad ... 9/765.html
by Labrat
9 Mar 2023, 5:57pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

Mike Sales wrote: 9 Mar 2023, 5:42pm. As Simon points out, climate change refugees are increasing. Will these be classed as 'economic migrants'?
And we get ourselves in a tizzy about a few thousand who make it across the Channel.

How, exactly, does climate change create “a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion.”?
by Labrat
9 Mar 2023, 5:43pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

[XAP]Bob wrote: 9 Mar 2023, 4:46pm
No - you said that they had to travel directly,
The UN refugee charter and domestic caselaw says they have to travel directly, it’s got nothing to do with what *I* said or think
And failed to decide what you think directly means, because it will expose your true beliefs.
Once again, no, it’s nothing to do with what I think, the caselaw sets out the interpretation of the word ‘directly’ as including “any merely short term stopover en route”. Anything more than this and the refugee is no longer travelling here directly.
You can either transit to other countries in order to claim asylum or you can't - you are saying that you can, but not if you end up in the UK,
No, the caselaw specifically says you *can* transit through other safe countries before claiming asylum, but not if your stay there is anything more than an merely short term stopover - anything more than that and you are no longer in transit, and, by law, should claim in that country.

Unfortunately you appear to have conflated what you think should happen with what the law actually says. It’s a fairly simple and common mistake.
by Labrat
9 Mar 2023, 4:20pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves
Replies: 233
Views: 8656

Re: An Illegal Bill to Stop Immigrants becoming Slaves

[XAP]Bob wrote: 9 Mar 2023, 2:58pm So you admit it excludes transit countries, and therefore the "first country" argument is dead.
I didn’t make any ‘first country’ argument, that was a straw man created in your own head. I said that the duty to accept and process asylum claims only applies to people who had come here directly. My wording was specific and supported by the caselaw.
Is there now a (signatory) country to, or through, which you aren't allowed to travel to claim asylum? Because that's what you're claiming - and that's not what either the convention or case law say.
I said no such thing, again, I said that our duty extends only to those who have come here directly.
It is illegal to penalise or prosecute for entering a country without permission for the purpose of claiming asylum.
Note that this doesn't apply if you've claimed asylum en route, but case law demonstrates that it is upheld if you have not.
Wrong again, it is only unlawful to penalise refugees who have i) travelled here directly, and ii) claimed asylum on arrival, or are iii)in transit to do so elsewhere. Everyone else can absolutely be penalised for illegal entry, even if they apply for asylum. Anyone whose stopover en-route from the country they were in danger in has been anything more than brief and transitory can, and should, be kicked out immediately because, by law, there is simply no duty to process their claim. Again, this is wildly different from your earlier claim that “ anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim”.
Given that MSF reported that more than half of those in calais camps were trying to get to family (another explicit provision in the convention)... the tirade of abuse from power needs to stop.
If they are resident in camps in Calais then they simply haven’t travelled here directly.