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by Hobbs1951
13 Feb 2020, 3:51pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Remembering the Fallen.
Replies: 47
Views: 1798

Remembering the Fallen.

Mike Sales wrote:I did not think it was particularly important where this frequent lapidary inscription came from, and I note neither did Owen source it.


I'm smiling...and yes the quote is seen on memorials !

John.
by Hobbs1951
13 Feb 2020, 2:06pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Remembering the Fallen.
Replies: 47
Views: 1798

Re: Remembering the Fallen.

Mike Sales wrote:
Hobbs1951 wrote:Not wishing to be pedantic, and don't misunderstand me but the line quoted...dulce...is actually Horace and I did make the point that Owen chose to return to the front despite Sassoon's threat.

John.


Your pedantry is superfluous; I am quite aware that Owen was quoting Horace and I don't think that I implied otherwise.


I don't think so, you may be aware Mike.

Implied or didn't, there's no reference to Horace in your post.

John.
by Hobbs1951
13 Feb 2020, 1:12pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Remembering the Fallen.
Replies: 47
Views: 1798

Re: Remembering the Fallen.

Mike Sales wrote:
Hobbs1951 wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:
I think that the poem makes it absolutely clear that Owen found the quotation a lie, so you seem to have misread.
The rest of the poem, which I did not quote, is a horrible description of the realities of life and death in the trenches, which he experienced.


Really ?

Owen did choose to return to the front to be with his men after his time at Craiglockart...the poetry is in the pity.

John.


Yes, really. The line I quoted is quite explicit.
Owen returned to the front out of loyalty to his men and a sense of duty.
The poem shows he had no illusions about the horrors of war and was revolted by the cant about it being good to die for ones country.


Not wishing to be pedantic, and don't misunderstand me but the line quoted...dulce...is actually Horace and I did make the point that Owen chose to return to the front despite Sassoon's threat.

John.
by Hobbs1951
13 Feb 2020, 11:14am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Is this forum unrepresentative?
Replies: 108
Views: 4953

Re: Is this forum unrepresentative?

roubaixtuesday wrote:Brexit has not "happened", it is a process that will take years.


Exactly.

John.
by Hobbs1951
13 Feb 2020, 9:14am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Remembering the Fallen.
Replies: 47
Views: 1798

Re: Remembering the Fallen.

Tangled Metal wrote:@Hobbs1951 - Seems my grandad and your wife's grandad might have been on some of the same rails. My grandad worked a few routes both around the Southampton docks right into London and south coast. Mostly goods trains though. A nice target is a slow moving goods train. I think he couldn't serve in the army but I don't know why. Not health grounds because he was always quite the sportsman. Trophy cabinet groaned with them for cricket and bowls, but he did most sports at some time. Were train drivers barred from military service due to greater need as drivers? I believe other jobs couldn't leave so perhaps train success couldn't.


You may be right there TM abiut my Wife's Grandad, my Grandad played soccer and cricket yet was barred from military service on health grounds ! Train drivers may have enjoyed reserved occupation status but as you suggest trains were an easy target - especially with the amount of lines running into London - which German aircraft would have used, like they would have used rivers as navigation.

John.
by Hobbs1951
13 Feb 2020, 7:12am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Remembering the Fallen.
Replies: 47
Views: 1798

Re: Remembering the Fallen.

Tangled Metal wrote:
Carlton green wrote:
Tangled Metal wrote:I didn't know remembrance equates to glorifying the dead. I stand corrected. Thanks!


To my mind Acts of Remembrance honour the death and I think it fitting that we do remember those who lost their lives in defence of their country and fellow ‘man’. However it has always annoyed me that those not in the armed forces who also lost their lives during war-time service are not honoured too. There were many ways to serve and many ways to loose your life during that service.

That's part of one of my long posts. Can't remember which, they're too long to reread! :lol:

My grandad saw a lot as a train driver working the routes supplying London. A prime target for enemy planes if they still had armaments. They got very efficient at removing twisted engines and trucks from tracks and repairing the tracks. Usually very little left of driver and fireman if a direct hit. He lost good friends and had a few lucky escapes too.

Miners took risks keeping coal supplies going. Bevan boys got honoured recently. Women working in the fields or factories also got honoured. Quite right too. But I don't recall railwaymen getting honoured like the others giving a lot to the war effort.

Honouring the death or honouring the sacrifice of the people, are they the same?


The civilian army should be remembered, my Wife's Paternal Grandfather was an engine driver (Southern rail) during WW2 (goods trains during the preparations for D-Day) he lived in Bromley and used to cycle to Hither Green to start his shift.

My Paternal Grandfather, was refused military service on health grounds but did his bit as a sargeant fireguard in the most heavily V1'd part of the country - he was awarded the Lord Mayor's medal for his service.

Many relatives served their country in the military, several as PoWs.

John.
by Hobbs1951
13 Feb 2020, 7:06am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Remembering the Fallen.
Replies: 47
Views: 1798

Re: Remembering the Fallen.

Mike Sales wrote:
I think that the poem makes it absolutely clear that Owen found the quotation a lie, so you seem to have misread.
The rest of the poem, which I did not quote, is a horrible description of the realities of life and death in the trenches, which he experienced.


Really ?

Owen did choose to return to the front to be with his men after his time at Craiglockart...the poetry is in the pity.

John.
by Hobbs1951
10 Feb 2020, 8:35am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Developers- New Housing
Replies: 61
Views: 2306

Re: Developers- New Housing

pete75 wrote:
Hobbs1951 wrote:A developer sits on our local planning committee in Lincolnshire and my village in Sussex all the old, nice larger houses are being sold and demolished allowing numerous properties to be built in what was their gardens.

A lovely, architecturally valuable Arts and Crafts style house demolished to make way for an office style care home.

John.


Why on earth wasn't it listed?


Many lovely houses on this part of the Sussex coast have been demolished...one demolished and replaced by an awful luxury apartment block for Londoners.

John.
by Hobbs1951
9 Feb 2020, 7:21pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: What music are you listening to now !
Replies: 194
Views: 9391

Re: What music are you listening to now !

The Flying Burrito Brothers - The Gilded Palace of Sin.

John.
by Hobbs1951
9 Feb 2020, 12:56pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: How do you transport your bike(s)?
Replies: 26
Views: 1585

Re: How do you transport your bike(s)?

One of our cars is a large-ish estate so if the weather is good and I'm not going too far it goes on the roof (pro style - front wheel removed), or if weather not so good it goes in the car.

MPV style vehicles (e.g Ford Galaxy) are sometimes a good bet for carrying inside as their architecture lends itself well to this - only if they're fairly square with a decent tailgate shape.

John.
by Hobbs1951
9 Feb 2020, 12:46pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Developers- New Housing
Replies: 61
Views: 2306

Re: Developers- New Housing

A developer sits on our local planning committee in Lincolnshire and my village in Sussex all the old, nice larger houses are being sold and demolished allowing numerous properties to be built in what was their gardens.

A lovely, architecturally valuable Arts and Crafts style house demolished to make way for an office style care home.

John.
by Hobbs1951
2 Feb 2020, 12:49pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 849879

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Bonefishblues wrote:Did you see the sneering, dismissive, unelected Dominic C belittling a journalist yesterday? Utterly appalling.

ETA here - and it continued a little after this, too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... orter.html



I did, on C4 news. Cummings is a vile individual and his appointment underlines all that is mediocre/bad/corrupt about the current government.

John.
by Hobbs1951
28 Jan 2020, 10:07pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: What is the story behind your nom de plume ,alias here?
Replies: 62
Views: 2832

Re: What is the story behind your nom de plume ,alias here?

No story, and very simple: I own a 1951 Hobbs of Barbican (it is a bicycle): bought new by my Wife's Father.

John.
by Hobbs1951
23 Jan 2020, 6:47pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Celebrating the E.U.
Replies: 15
Views: 709

Re: Celebrating the E.U.

roubaixtuesday wrote:And the thread descends into the usual erroneous and irrelevant cliches on the EU rather than addressing the rather thoughtful point actually made at the top.


Agree with that.

John.
by Hobbs1951
22 Jan 2020, 5:28pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Another Python has departed.
Replies: 6
Views: 409

Re: Another Python has departed.

661-Pete wrote:Yes, I was thinking of Graham Chapman, but also Neil Innes, who contributed a lot to Python behind the scenes, and who died only a few weeks ago.


Thought you might have been, but not sure. I saw Neil live too - a lifetime ago (have the Rutles album somewhere).

John.

N.B seventh Python...can you keep a secret ? Well, you're in then.