Mike Sales wrote:I did not think it was particularly important where this frequent lapidary inscription came from, and I note neither did Owen source it.
I'm smiling...and yes the quote is seen on memorials !
John.
Mike Sales wrote:I did not think it was particularly important where this frequent lapidary inscription came from, and I note neither did Owen source it.
Mike Sales wrote:Hobbs1951 wrote:Not wishing to be pedantic, and don't misunderstand me but the line quoted...dulce...is actually Horace and I did make the point that Owen chose to return to the front despite Sassoon's threat.
John.
Your pedantry is superfluous; I am quite aware that Owen was quoting Horace and I don't think that I implied otherwise.
Mike Sales wrote:Hobbs1951 wrote:Mike Sales wrote:
I think that the poem makes it absolutely clear that Owen found the quotation a lie, so you seem to have misread.
The rest of the poem, which I did not quote, is a horrible description of the realities of life and death in the trenches, which he experienced.
Really ?
Owen did choose to return to the front to be with his men after his time at Craiglockart...the poetry is in the pity.
John.
Yes, really. The line I quoted is quite explicit.
Owen returned to the front out of loyalty to his men and a sense of duty.
The poem shows he had no illusions about the horrors of war and was revolted by the cant about it being good to die for ones country.
roubaixtuesday wrote:Brexit has not "happened", it is a process that will take years.
Tangled Metal wrote:@Hobbs1951 - Seems my grandad and your wife's grandad might have been on some of the same rails. My grandad worked a few routes both around the Southampton docks right into London and south coast. Mostly goods trains though. A nice target is a slow moving goods train. I think he couldn't serve in the army but I don't know why. Not health grounds because he was always quite the sportsman. Trophy cabinet groaned with them for cricket and bowls, but he did most sports at some time. Were train drivers barred from military service due to greater need as drivers? I believe other jobs couldn't leave so perhaps train success couldn't.
Tangled Metal wrote:Carlton green wrote:Tangled Metal wrote:I didn't know remembrance equates to glorifying the dead. I stand corrected. Thanks!
To my mind Acts of Remembrance honour the death and I think it fitting that we do remember those who lost their lives in defence of their country and fellow ‘man’. However it has always annoyed me that those not in the armed forces who also lost their lives during war-time service are not honoured too. There were many ways to serve and many ways to loose your life during that service.
That's part of one of my long posts. Can't remember which, they're too long to reread!
My grandad saw a lot as a train driver working the routes supplying London. A prime target for enemy planes if they still had armaments. They got very efficient at removing twisted engines and trucks from tracks and repairing the tracks. Usually very little left of driver and fireman if a direct hit. He lost good friends and had a few lucky escapes too.
Miners took risks keeping coal supplies going. Bevan boys got honoured recently. Women working in the fields or factories also got honoured. Quite right too. But I don't recall railwaymen getting honoured like the others giving a lot to the war effort.
Honouring the death or honouring the sacrifice of the people, are they the same?
Mike Sales wrote:
I think that the poem makes it absolutely clear that Owen found the quotation a lie, so you seem to have misread.
The rest of the poem, which I did not quote, is a horrible description of the realities of life and death in the trenches, which he experienced.
pete75 wrote:Hobbs1951 wrote:A developer sits on our local planning committee in Lincolnshire and my village in Sussex all the old, nice larger houses are being sold and demolished allowing numerous properties to be built in what was their gardens.
A lovely, architecturally valuable Arts and Crafts style house demolished to make way for an office style care home.
John.
Why on earth wasn't it listed?
Bonefishblues wrote:Did you see the sneering, dismissive, unelected Dominic C belittling a journalist yesterday? Utterly appalling.
ETA here - and it continued a little after this, too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... orter.html
roubaixtuesday wrote:And the thread descends into the usual erroneous and irrelevant cliches on the EU rather than addressing the rather thoughtful point actually made at the top.
661-Pete wrote:Yes, I was thinking of Graham Chapman, but also Neil Innes, who contributed a lot to Python behind the scenes, and who died only a few weeks ago.