23 pages and some hundreds of posts later is the answer yes? Asking for a cyclist
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- 29 Mar 2024, 3:50pm
- Forum: Electrically assisted pedal cycles
- Topic: Is 250w enough power for modest speed up steep hills
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- 28 Mar 2024, 1:36pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sweage Releases Into Rivers
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Re: Sweage Releases Into Rivers
Feargal has been crusading on this for years, as have I in my own very small way. OFWAT has failed in its Statutory Duty - that's the bare fact. As to why, then that gets murkier, like most outfalls from STWsPsamathe wrote: ↑28 Mar 2024, 1:23pmThames Water is getting interesting given their dividend payments, debt and not investors demanding a massive bill increase, in effect customers paying for their failings and dividends. Even where we are now (40% bill increase demand) is going to stir up a lot of ill-feeling through their region even though OFWAT has refused the increase. If it were my decision I'd be fining them for every illegal sewage release until they go bust, let the Gov. buy the company for £1 and keep it under public ownership. I'd be doing that for every water company. None of this "temporary nationalisation" the Gov. are mentioning as a possibility.
Feargal Sharkey was very good in his TV appearances yesterday - knew his stuff (facts), presented them in a clear balanced concise manner, allowed the "other party" to have their say un-interrupted and then countered it with clear, simple fact.
I feel like writing to the water company covering my area asking for the money I paid for sewage disposal to be refunded as they have not been doing what I've been paying them for. Every moderate rain and people have sewage in their gardens (not mine). Been happening since I've lived here (15+ years) and water company never investigates as tiny village into ditches into small river so no monitoring guages.
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- 27 Mar 2024, 12:33pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Jihadi Brides and their Children.
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Re: Jihadi Brides and their Children.
She has never been a Bangladeshi citizen, but up until age 21 she had the option to apply (Bangladesh said it would have been rejected anyway) by virtue of her parents' birth. Now she cannot.
- 25 Mar 2024, 5:03pm
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
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Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
You really only need to look at that section, which isn't too onerous. It's pretty well written, I think.thirdcrank wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 5:00pmA lot to go at but I've begun readingBonefishblues wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 4:50pm For those who want to dig deeper into the offence then the Crown Court's own 'bible' is here. It includes prototypical Jury Instructions and much else:
https://www.judiciary.uk/guidance-and-r ... ompendium/
Part 1 19-5 onwards refers to this offence. On the criminal act element, I thought this was a helpful guide:
A useful rule of thumb is to begin by asking what would have been charged if noone had died.
- 25 Mar 2024, 4:50pm
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
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Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
For those who want to dig deeper into the offence then the Crown Court's own 'bible' is here. It includes prototypical Jury Instructions and much else:
https://www.judiciary.uk/guidance-and-r ... ompendium/
Part 1 19-5 onwards refers to this offence. On the criminal act element, I thought this was a helpful guide:
A useful rule of thumb is to begin by asking what would have been charged if noone had died.
https://www.judiciary.uk/guidance-and-r ... ompendium/
Part 1 19-5 onwards refers to this offence. On the criminal act element, I thought this was a helpful guide:
A useful rule of thumb is to begin by asking what would have been charged if noone had died.
- 25 Mar 2024, 11:43am
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
- Views: 15368
Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
The Appeal Court rejected an earlier submission of appeal on the grounds that the sentence was excessive, so these alternative grounds were put forward. Notwithstanding its earlier rejection, I think the CofA still has the ability to reduce the sentence in this hearing (alternatively it can reject the appeal, or uphold it and quash the conviction)Nearholmer wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 11:34am There’s been a properly constituted trial, and the defendant was found guilty.
As I understand things, there is to be an appeal against the conviction. That will go to court, and the court will decide.
Courts aren’t perfect, they do occasionally make errors, but they are far better equipped to decide these things than a forum on the internet. And, BTW, matters of “intent” seem always to be difficult for courts to decide, and often become the subject of appeals.
Let’s wait to see what the court decides.
I completely agree with your other point - we have only a fraction of the information needed to determine this (albeit it's now being taken forward on different, narrower grounds) so we would be wise not to make definitive statements.
- 25 Mar 2024, 11:37am
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
- Views: 15368
Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
You've made your view abundantly clear. That's not necessarily synonymous with either the truth, or objectivity.cycle tramp wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 11:20amIf you write to convince others, then this is your concern. If you write to convince me, then you waste your time. His holiness the Pope could bless the defendant himself, and still my mind would not changeBonefishblues wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 9:44am
The definitive truth isn't there. One aspect of a very great deal of evidence is there.
- 25 Mar 2024, 9:44am
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
- Views: 15368
Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
So was I. Perhaps coincidentally I found the Jury took its job very seriously, and considered a detailed and very technical case at length. The arguments of counsel were helpful, albeit the Prosecution seemed to be rather taking a conviction for granted, I thought. Similarly the Judge's summing up & Instructions framed our conversations as a Jury. Seemed to me to be the antithesis of a waste of time.cycle tramp wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 9:30amI was a jury member once. Neither the defence nor the prosecution appeared to be interested in the definite truth, only their version of it. The lawyers themselves seemed less interested in the outcome and more of their payment. It was a waste of time, the only things which grew were tge wallets of those involved. Chess, but with real people as the playing piecesBonefishblues wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 9:15amYour post illustrates better than I could why those individuals are needed to facilitate the determination of guilt or innocence by a correctly instructed Jury of our peers, I would strongly suggest.cycle tramp wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 9:12am
We do not need any men in wigs nor the ramblings of people whose joy of life fled their existence years ago to tell us wherever or not a crime has been committed. It is witnessed. Whether or not the appeal is successful or otherwise for many of us on this forum she is damned to a pitiless existence, and no charitable works or fine arguments will convince otherwise...
In this case, the definite truth is there to see. The forum members can make their own mind ups. It matters not. This thread could run until it was so large, God himself would have to notice it, and even then that wouldn't bring back the beloved family member who was taken due to the foolish actions of someone who perhaps was better off in care, and only allowed out under supervision.
The definitive truth isn't there. One aspect of a very great deal of evidence is there. Considering anything less than the whole of the evidence is likely to result in injustices.
- 25 Mar 2024, 9:15am
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
- Views: 15368
Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
Your post illustrates better than I could why those individuals are needed to facilitate the determination of guilt or innocence by a correctly instructed Jury of our peers, I would strongly suggest.cycle tramp wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 9:12amWe do not need any men in wigs nor the ramblings of people whose joy of life fled their existence years ago to tell us wherever or not a crime has been committed. It is witnessed. Whether or not the appeal is successful or otherwise for many of us on this forum she is damned to a pitiless existence, and no charitable works or fine arguments will convince otherwise...Bonefishblues wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 8:59amInadvertently killing a person may well not be a crime.rareposter wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 8:55am
Other than the minor one of (inadvertently) killing a person.
- 25 Mar 2024, 9:00am
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
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- 25 Mar 2024, 8:59am
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
- Views: 15368
Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
Inadvertently killing a person may well not be a crime.rareposter wrote: ↑25 Mar 2024, 8:55amOther than the minor one of (inadvertently) killing a person.
- 25 Mar 2024, 7:52am
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
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Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
That seems to me to be at the heart of things, yes. If a Judge (quite correctly in a complex case) gives a decision tree to a Jury such that they can reach a verdict, then it must be completely watertight.Sum wrote: ↑24 Mar 2024, 11:02pmYou mean specifically the section headed "route to verdict"? I took the relevant question(s)/decision point(s) here as being the list of questions establishing whether what took place might have been an accident, self-defence or unlawful violence. Admittedly it doesn't mention the latter, it seems to rule out the lawful use of force i.e. by accident, in self-defence, and with reasonable force and other aspects covered in the previous sections e.g. being mistaken and reacting on the spur of the moment etc.Bonefishblues wrote: ↑24 Mar 2024, 10:19pmI referenced his 'decision tree' of questions to the Jury such that they can reach their verdict. I don't see a relevant question/decision point in that.
I don't know if the list of questions are correct or complete though, or if this is the correct way of doing things. Grey's lawyers seem to think that something is wrong here.
- 25 Mar 2024, 7:51am
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
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Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
I have watched it many times.cycle tramp wrote: ↑24 Mar 2024, 10:31pmI'd actually watch the clip from sky before you make any further comment. That's not my opinion, in the post above - it's my witness statement from having seen the footage.Bonefishblues wrote: ↑24 Mar 2024, 10:27pm You have formed an opinion based on an aspect of the evidence presented at trial. Please stop saying we.
Again my thanks to Sun for this clip. As difficult as it is to witness, I hope everyone watches it. We owe the deceased that much.
Thank you for removing 'we'
- 24 Mar 2024, 10:27pm
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
- Views: 15368
Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
You have formed an opinion based on an aspect of the evidence presented at trial. Please stop saying we.
- 24 Mar 2024, 10:19pm
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
- Replies: 244
- Views: 15368
Re: Huntingdon: Angry pedestrian guilty of killing cyclist
I referenced his 'decision tree' of questions to the Jury such that they can reach their verdict. I don't see a relevant question/decision point in that.