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by rareposter
15 Apr 2024, 8:55pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Does anyone make a fully enclosed belt drive?
Replies: 11
Views: 520

Re: Does anyone make a fully enclosed belt drive?

tommydog wrote: 15 Apr 2024, 7:09pm I think thats taking it a bit far describing it as extra complexity. Its hardly rocket science - a few screws / bolts to hold it in place.
Plus the design of the frame and the design of the chainguard to allow that. That actual "bolt X to Y" bit is easy but ensuring the frame is designed for that and the chainguard has sufficient flexibility to allow it to be mounted to various belt drive designs is indeed extra complexity and therefore cost.
tommydog wrote: 15 Apr 2024, 7:09pm Nobody yet has presented an argument to me as to why this is a bad idea from the prospect of belt life.
I, and several other people, have given you reasons why and you've refused to accept them. 🤷🏻‍♂️
It's a non-issue to start with on what is already a low maintenance system and you introduce extra complexity, weight and cost for near zero real world benefit.
by rareposter
15 Apr 2024, 6:32pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Does anyone make a fully enclosed belt drive?
Replies: 11
Views: 520

Re: Does anyone make a fully enclosed belt drive?

tommydog wrote: 15 Apr 2024, 4:35pm Over the years I have seen plenty of photos online of belts being trashed by pebbles / grit, particularly if being used offroad. Fully enclosing the belt mitigates this issue. A fully enclosed housing, if designed probably, would not add much time to your workflow. Why would it not be better to keep the belt as clean as possible in a sealed environment?
Nope - it adds extra weight, extra complexity and more things to rattle around and fall off.

In a "utility cycling" environment where belt drives are often used on e-bikes, e-cargo etc, you're not getting the issues of pebbles and grit so it doesn't need enclosing plus there's no oil etc to get onto clothing.

In a touring environment where you're doing huge mileage on a hub-geared bike potentially with long times between service intervals (and for a brilliant example of this look at CyclingAbout on YouTube), it's easy just to wash the belt with a quick squirt of water if necessary rather than deal with the extra weight and mountings of a chain guard.
by rareposter
14 Apr 2024, 10:15pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Does anyone make a fully enclosed belt drive?
Replies: 11
Views: 520

Re: Does anyone make a fully enclosed belt drive?

tommydog wrote: 14 Apr 2024, 7:06pm Does anyone make a bike with a fully enclosed belt drive? This would have an advantage in keeping grit out etc and would potentially make for quite a low maintenance solution.
Belt drive is already very low maintenance. Enclosing the thing actually makes life more difficult in getting the wheel out, tensioning the belt properly etc.
by rareposter
11 Apr 2024, 3:25pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Worst piece of kit you ever bought
Replies: 103
Views: 11803

Re: Worst piece of kit you ever bought

2_i wrote: 11 Apr 2024, 2:30am
Manc33 wrote: 15 Jun 2022, 7:38pm That flashy looking "Fish Bones" cable housing.

An absolute joke of a product that just doesn't work.

I tried it out thinking it might give a bit less compression, but with all those short links... the opposite is true, there's nothing but compression. Useless even for braking, let alone a rear shifter! Easily the worst thing I have ever tried to use. 100% unusable. 100% useless. Maybe if you just wanted a bike to be ornamental then yeah it might look good on a bike, but riding with this stuff? Not a chance.

This is the cheaper stuff from AliExpress, but since that stuff is the same as the "real" version, I can't imagine that works either and the real version (made by Jagwire) is an insane price - £65 on Amazon for just the gear shift set! :shock:

Why is it so bad?

Because when you run a cable through this stuff and pull the cable (whether that's brakes or gears) the entire length of metal links tighten up, it's awful stuff. This isn't to mention that if you're not careful, all the links can just slide off the tubing when you're installing it, so then you have to pick up 100+ of the stupid things and faff about sliding them all onto the tubing again, making sure they are all facing a certain way around. God help anyone that tries to use it!
I guess I'm getting God's help as this housing has pushed out any other housing in our household, on 8 bikes maybe now. However, I combine those links with Jagwire lining exclusively. It is on shift, and brake cables, in different color combinations to match the frame and code the cable. You reuse the links, just possibly tossing the lining. You do not need ferrules. The shifting is smoother, braking is more effective, tight routing costs you little, you save weight on folders, etc. There is no looking back as far as the housing is concerned.
+1.
I realise the original post by Manc33 was 2 years ago but the proper Jagwire cables of that design are great, no issues at all. Frankly if you're buying knock off kit from AliExpress (which is often NOT the same as the real stuff!) then you deserve whatever you get. There's no way I'd risk brake parts from sources like that.

Back when I was racing and had cable brakes, I only ever used Dura Ace cables on the road bike and XTR ones on the MTB (although admittedly I was never paying anything like RRP for them). Never worth saving a few quid on brake parts , especially not knock-off copies of decent stuff.

Same now though - I'd never buy third party brake pads or aftermarket rotors. Half way down a mountainside at 40mph is not the place to discover that the brake pads which saved you £3 over the proper branded ones have a dodgy backing plate...
by rareposter
11 Apr 2024, 1:17pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Techniques for braking on steep descents
Replies: 89
Views: 9714

Re: Techniques for braking on steep descents

mattheus wrote: 11 Apr 2024, 1:09pm My bikes don't even HAVE rotors. Can I descend any hills safely? Or am I compelled to always use the "don't brake till you see the whites of their eyes" technique??
It's clearly unrideable and in fact you should offer your body to science for a study on how you've survived this long.

You are hereby instructed to visit a bike shop, and once they've overcome their amazement at your retro (and clearly unrideable) machine of death, they will sell you a more appropriate bike for twelvety thousand pounds. Be aware that it'll have a use by date of next month, after which it'll be obsolete and you'll be subjected to much derision and ridicule should you dare to be seen on it.

But for a month or so, you'll be king of all you descend.

;-)
by rareposter
10 Apr 2024, 7:23pm
Forum: On the road
Topic: Feeling bad - is it the bonk?
Replies: 44
Views: 1796

Re: Feeling bad - is it the bonk?

Pinhead wrote: 10 Apr 2024, 3:12pm In PLAIN English....
Talking of plain English...
It's a minor thing but the title of this thread is very alarmist - it almost sounds like a cry for help, an "I'm about to commit suicide!" type thing. Something a bit more descriptive of simply running out of energy on a bike ride would probably be more appropriate...
by rareposter
10 Apr 2024, 6:15pm
Forum: On the road
Topic: Feeling bad - is it the bonk?
Replies: 44
Views: 1796

Re: Feeling bad - is it the bonk?

Pinhead wrote: 10 Apr 2024, 3:12pm In PLAIN English I can understand do any of these or are any of these worth taking before and during a ride

https://www.summitcycles.co.uk/shop/acc ... nutrition/
In the right time/place, energy products can be very useful. That time and place tends to be for more competitive riders who need to get energy quickly - during a long ride or in a race for example.

For *most* other folk, out on a normal ride, they're a bit overkill and quite expensive (although they do have the advantage of being small, easily packable and weatherproof as well as supplying a defined amount of carbs).

You can achieve the same thing (replenishment of your energy levels) with food like bananas, sandwiches with a filling like jam, peanut butter, honey and snack food like flapjack.
It's very cheap and easy to make up a tray of flapjack at home using your supplement of choice (dates, fruit, nuts etc), wrap a couple of pieces in tin foil and take it with you.
by rareposter
10 Apr 2024, 6:03pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: touring energy honey
Replies: 32
Views: 3878

Re: touring energy honey

pwa wrote: 10 Apr 2024, 5:12pm
mattheus wrote: 10 Apr 2024, 10:29am
pwa wrote: 10 Apr 2024, 10:09am I used to do a lot of Audax rides, travelling light and not hanging about too much, so sticking carbs in water and consuming on-the-go made sense. But I was always aware that doing that was a compromise for a day or two, and not adequate or sensible nutrition to continue throughout the year.

*or some USA equiv.
No I haven't seen it, but I know that after 12 hours or so of relying mainly on carbs out of a bottle my guts were not happy.
Yeah, you need proper training and acclimatisation to survive off those! I did RideLondon a couple of times entirely on gels and one bottle of energy drink, one of water. No stops, smashed the whole lot on 3 gels (reserving one for emergencies) and both bottles. Sub 4hrs.

However I knew that in 24hr races I needed proper food alongside energy products.

I've seen, from ride leading, the outcome of high use of energy products on people who up until then have never ingested anything like that amount of carbs in such a short space of time. It's not pretty.
by rareposter
10 Apr 2024, 9:50am
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Worst piece of kit you ever bought
Replies: 103
Views: 11803

Re: Worst piece of kit you ever bought

Cyclothesist wrote: 10 Apr 2024, 8:56am I love this forum. It's an education and inspires me to look things up. Never heard of a Nu vinci hub 'til now. Discovered it's an ingeneious CVT hub gear using tilting ball axis to vary the transmission ratio. Also discovered this type of CVT is 70-90% efficient. Though allegedly the manufacturer of the Nu Vinci hub never published efficiency figures (ref Wikipedia). Heavy too. Not that great for a human powered bicycle. No wonder cycle tramp found it tiring!
Agree about the human-powered bike use but they're brilliant on e-bikes, especially utility style or cargo e-bikes. Other than a bit of efficiency loss, they're near indestructible and virtually maintenance free, especially when used with a belt drive.

Use on a performance style human-powered bike: rubbish
Use on a utility e-bike: amazing
by rareposter
9 Apr 2024, 7:36pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Techniques for braking on steep descents
Replies: 89
Views: 9714

Re: Techniques for braking on steep descents

JohnR wrote: 9 Apr 2024, 5:53pm Now that I've thought this through I know better how to handle the next long descent.

Go full gas from top to bottom, yes?

https://youtu.be/99wJn5QBvyg?si=bBY1rqlvSZswycPP
by rareposter
9 Apr 2024, 4:43pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Techniques for braking on steep descents
Replies: 89
Views: 9714

Re: Techniques for braking on steep descents

mattheus wrote: 9 Apr 2024, 4:28pm What a frustrating thread - all the key points have been posted, but people keep repeating selected facts to suit their understanding.

- MATT!
- Wot?
- Never, repeat NEVER try to explain physics to non-physicists on the internet!

:lol:
+1... and also, as with many many things on this forum, it is being wildly over-thought.
by rareposter
9 Apr 2024, 1:54pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Techniques for braking on steep descents
Replies: 89
Views: 9714

Re: Techniques for braking on steep descents

Psamathe wrote: 9 Apr 2024, 1:10pm I have read of concerns with some (poorer design?) hydraulic disk brakes with the brake fluid boiling so I assume some heat must be conducted through the pads.

Just asking the question as I have no idea how impotent different heat dissipation paths might be.
Yes but the brake fluid itself is designed as a heat sink. You'll lose some heat through the rotor itself, some from the pads and backing material, some will go into the fluid. How much that happens depends a lot on riding style, speed, air temperature and the rotor material and backing pad material.

If you're on the brakes constantly, the fluid can boil but you'd really have to be trying quite hard to do that - modern braking systems it's rarely an issue. You'd need a prolonged descent and a heavy rider/bike combination being ridden quite poorly to get close to that on current disc brake systems.
mattheus wrote: 9 Apr 2024, 1:51pm I would *hypothesize* that rim-brake designs naturally give better air-flow to the hot bits, which would help avoid problems from hot brakes.
If so, that's another reason why 70's tourists in the Alps didn't often complain about brake-fade and the like. And it was rare when the racers first used the same roads, many decades earlier.
I would *hypothesize* that speeds in the 70's were a lot lower than road bikes of today will do! ;-)
That said, I've seen several instances of burst tyres on long Alpine descents when the heat from the rim brake has gone into the aluminium of the rim and blown the tyre. Also used to be a problem on tubulars back in the day cos the heat would melt the glue that held them on. Carbon rims, you can get delamination where the resin bonding within the rim basically melts.
by rareposter
9 Apr 2024, 9:25am
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Altus/Deore rear derailleur swap
Replies: 11
Views: 2910

Re: Altus/Deore rear derailleur swap

AndyB1 wrote: 9 Apr 2024, 9:04am Is an even longer length of cage needed for the more extreme MTB cassette ranges now available?
No because part of using a wide range cassette is that it does away with the need for multiple chainrings so a 1x system doesn't require a mech that's any longer.
by rareposter
9 Apr 2024, 8:53am
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Altus/Deore rear derailleur swap
Replies: 11
Views: 2910

Re: Altus/Deore rear derailleur swap

boneshaker wrote: 8 Apr 2024, 4:04pm Hello, first post on this forum! I have a Kona Dew 2011 which is on its original and now creaky Altus 8 Speed rear derailleur. I am thinking of swapping it for a Deore 8 speed and aside from making sure that it is compatible with the rear chain rings is there anything else that I should be considering before make the swap?

Many thanks!
Most 8- and 9-speed Shimano mountain bike and road kit is inter-compatible because they both use the same cable pull ratio. This means you can use any 8- or 9-speed Shimano rear derailleur - just make sure it's the same length as the old one cos rear mechs come in two cage options; short cage for double chainring set-up and long cage for triple chainring.