Chris, can you answer, on CTC's behalf, the specific question I asked about CTC's policy on priority? Does it wish to see a change or not (regardless of whether it believes it can be achieved) and if so what change would it like? Also, do the other bodies have the same or a different policy?
"In terms of the existing organisations favouring segregation in some circumstances, what I would like to know is whether any of them have developed a clear policy on whether they wish to see a change in prioritisation at junctions so that joggers on a main road approaching the junction can run straight across a side road without having to stop and give way to traffic turning off the main road?
At traffic lights, should the green man on the major road be at the same phasing as the green traffic light so that all three lanes go straight on together (pedestrian, cycle, other traffic) with traffic turning off waiting for the inside lanes to be clear?
As I understand it this kind of prioritisation is in place in Holland and Germany which greatly facilitates cyclists on segregated 'on pavement' cycle paths running parallel to the main road.
If they have not carefully researched this to have reached a publishable position on what they want changed to facilitate those on a segregated cycle path and lobby for that result then I would argue that they cannot be said to have any real desire for segregation and it is not unreasonable for those seeking more segregation to form a separate body."
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- 2 Mar 2011, 6:15pm
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: CTC and Dutch-standard facilities
- Replies: 191
- Views: 13093
- 1 Mar 2011, 7:29pm
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: CTC and Dutch-standard facilities
- Replies: 191
- Views: 13093
Re: CTC and Dutch-standard facilities
Thanks for starting this thread Chris as I've been meaning to ask CTC about this having posed such a question on another forum recently, below. Also, does the policy of CTC accord with Living Streets, Sustrans and LCC for example and are they collaborating on a united campaign that makes the most of their resources?
"In terms of the existing organisations favouring segregation in some circumstances, what I would like to know is whether any of them have developed a clear policy on whether they wish to see a change in prioritisation at junctions so that joggers on a main road approaching the junction can run straight across a side road without having to stop and give way to traffic turning off the main road?
At traffic lights, should the green man on the major road be at the same phasing as the green traffic light so that all three lanes go straight on together (pedestrian, cycle, other traffic) with traffic turning off waiting for the inside lanes to be clear?
As I understand it this kind of prioritisation is in place in Holland and Germany which greatly facilitates cyclists on segregated 'on pavement' cycle paths running parallel to the main road.
If they have not carefully researched this to have reached a publishable position on what they want changed to facilitate those on a segregated cycle path and lobby for that result then I would argue that they cannot be said to have any real desire for segregation and it is not unreasonable for those seeking more segregation to form a separate body."
"In terms of the existing organisations favouring segregation in some circumstances, what I would like to know is whether any of them have developed a clear policy on whether they wish to see a change in prioritisation at junctions so that joggers on a main road approaching the junction can run straight across a side road without having to stop and give way to traffic turning off the main road?
At traffic lights, should the green man on the major road be at the same phasing as the green traffic light so that all three lanes go straight on together (pedestrian, cycle, other traffic) with traffic turning off waiting for the inside lanes to be clear?
As I understand it this kind of prioritisation is in place in Holland and Germany which greatly facilitates cyclists on segregated 'on pavement' cycle paths running parallel to the main road.
If they have not carefully researched this to have reached a publishable position on what they want changed to facilitate those on a segregated cycle path and lobby for that result then I would argue that they cannot be said to have any real desire for segregation and it is not unreasonable for those seeking more segregation to form a separate body."
- 5 Dec 2010, 6:56pm
- Forum: Touring & Expedition
- Topic: Europe Cycling Weekend planning help
- Replies: 17
- Views: 1728
Re: Europe Cycling Weekend planning help
vjosullivan wrote:Robert wrote:JJF's right, if you've only got a weekend you don't want to spend the majority of it getting to where you're going.
The good news is that there are three bank holidays, back to back, in April 2011; on Fri 22nd, Mon 25th and Fri 29th.
and Mon 2nd May!
- 4 Nov 2010, 5:22pm
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: Campaign against Waterloo Cars, Cycling Superhighway 7
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2073
Re: Campaign against Waterloo Cars, Cycling Superhighway 7
It turns out not be enforceable currently
http://kenningtonpob.blogspot.com/searc ... loo%20Cars
http://kenningtonpob.blogspot.com/searc ... loo%20Cars
- 4 Nov 2010, 12:44am
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: Campaign against Waterloo Cars, Cycling Superhighway 7
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2073
Re: Campaign against Waterloo Cars, Cycling Superhighway 7
IIRC, the minicab company, Waterloo Cars, set up in these premises a few years ago despite there already being a mandatory cycle lane and single yellow in place (before the Cycling Superhighway painted over it. So to then want parking for your business is unreasonable.
Anyway, please drop TfL a line as in the original post
Anyway, please drop TfL a line as in the original post
- 3 Nov 2010, 12:37pm
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: Cycle paths unsafe?
- Replies: 286
- Views: 20272
Re: Cycle paths unsafe?
Richard Mann wrote:Speshact wrote:Here the motorists have right of way turning into the road unless the pedestrian is already on the road.
Are you absolutely sure? I thought it was undefined (neither party has priority). Plus I thought advice to faster road users is to accept responsibility and defer to pedestrians in such situations; whether they do so is of course another matter.
Geometry/visibility/vertical deflection certainly helps though.
"170
Take extra care at junctions. You should
watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way"
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070332
- 3 Nov 2010, 2:07am
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: Campaign against Waterloo Cars, Cycling Superhighway 7
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2073
Campaign against Waterloo Cars, Cycling Superhighway 7
Waterloo Cars persistently park on the yellow line in the mandatory cycle lane that is the Cycling Superhighway 7 on Southwark Bridge Road. Please write to Transport for London asking for their Private Hire Operators Licence to be revoked. It only takes a minute. Please spread the word to other cyclists and post here if you're complained to TfL.
http://kenningtonpob.blogspot.com/search/label/Waterloo%20Cars
Together, acting individually, we can effect change.
Thanks
Charlie
http://kenningtonpob.blogspot.com/search/label/Waterloo%20Cars
Together, acting individually, we can effect change.
Thanks
Charlie
- 2 Nov 2010, 12:51pm
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: Cycle paths unsafe?
- Replies: 286
- Views: 20272
Re: Cycle paths unsafe?
Richard Mann wrote:Speshact wrote:should they not be campaigning DfT to change the rules on right of way to facilitate segregated lanes as in Holland.
No change of law required (this is in the UK, not Holland):
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie= ... 53.36,,0,5
You can do it if you want (and if you've got room)
In the Netherlands, as I understand it, motorists would have to wait for pedestrians about to cross the road. Here the motorists have right of way turning into the road unless the pedestrian is already on the road. Likewise when traffic lights are green on the main road, pedestrians going straight ahead also have the green 'man' and cars turning must give way. All these measures reinforce the fact that traffic turning off must give way to people continuing in the parallel lanes (be they footpath or cycle path).
CSH 3 resulted in the kind of markings shown in your example that used to exist being removed when the Cycling Superhighway was painted over the previously-existing segregated cycle path http://kenningtonpob.blogspot.com/2010/07/poppies-cafe-car-park-has-priority.html . Note the Mayor's reply in the comment a reader has added.
I agree with all Pete's comments re geometry etc.
- 1 Nov 2010, 11:21pm
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: Cycle paths unsafe?
- Replies: 286
- Views: 20272
Re: Cycle paths unsafe?
byegad wrote:I for one would love the Netherlands' model of segregation. Motor traffic giving way where cycle paths cross roads is a feature that makes their system work.
On the other hand our 'system' continues to place riders in dangerous positions without right of way.
So I'm totally against segregation in the UK and the CTC is right to so represent my opposition.
The CTC (and LCC) seem mute on the issue of Right of Way - should they not be campaigning DfT to change the rules on right of way to facilitate segregated lanes as in Holland. A few photos and description of the difference are on my blog here:
http://kenningtonpob.blogspot.com/2010/10/segregation-and-integration.html
- 22 Jul 2010, 8:58am
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Sad, sad day
- Replies: 30
- Views: 2356
Re: Sad, sad day
On a serious note, I would like to see government produced tv adverts that emphasise the rights of people on bikes (adverts to include kids, pregnant mums et al) to ride where they need to and the duty of motorists to give due care and consideration.
On a less serious note, could you get your trike adopted by the force as a police vehicle and have blue lights and siren fitted. Flicking those on might change someone's tune!
On a less serious note, could you get your trike adopted by the force as a police vehicle and have blue lights and siren fitted. Flicking those on might change someone's tune!
- 7 Jul 2010, 10:01pm
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: Letter to CTC
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2304
Re: Letter to CTC
I'd like to see the government produce some tv adverts advising cyclists on where they should be cycling (as per cyclecraft and Bikeability/National Standards training). I'd like these to be shown in the advert breaks for programmes that WVM, Minicab/Taxi Drivers, Mums on school run and WVM watch - and Clarkson. This would lead to better cyclists but, crucially, it would also legitimise 'assertive' cycling as Government/DfT recommended and put paid to 'cycle in the gutter' comments.
As for reporting bad driving, the Met Police has a 'Roadsafe' reporting site. I would like other forces to have and use one too. I think the CTC should change its site from 'Stop Smidsy' to 'Stop Dangerous Driving'.
I'd like the Advertising Standards Authority to ban the use of the phrase 'Road Tax' in adverts - something they currently won't do as motorists understand it and they don't believe it leads to abuse of cyclists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for reporting bad driving, the Met Police has a 'Roadsafe' reporting site. I would like other forces to have and use one too. I think the CTC should change its site from 'Stop Smidsy' to 'Stop Dangerous Driving'.
I'd like the Advertising Standards Authority to ban the use of the phrase 'Road Tax' in adverts - something they currently won't do as motorists understand it and they don't believe it leads to abuse of cyclists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- 2 Jun 2010, 7:46pm
- Forum: Does anyone know … ?
- Topic: What's the National Cycle Museum like?
- Replies: 15
- Views: 1484
Re: What's the National Cycle Museum like?
I haven't made the museum in Wales yet, but I loved the one in Nijmegen in the Netherlands:
http://www.velorama.nl/
http://www.velorama.nl/
- 31 May 2010, 9:01pm
- Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
- Topic: LEJOG on a Raleigh Chopper
- Replies: 152
- Views: 14312
Re: LEJOG on a Raleigh Chopper
Well done Mick!
- 23 Apr 2010, 9:20pm
- Forum: Does anyone know … ?
- Topic: which membership organisations offer useful discounts?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 1331
Re: which membership organisations offer useful discounts?
According to the latest CTC Newsnet, CTC membership now gets you 10% off in Stanfords. Excellent.
- 5 Apr 2010, 9:27pm
- Forum: On the road
- Topic: Deliberately cut across my path
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1190
Re: Deliberately cut across my path
Assuming Croydon falls within the Met Police area, probably worth filling in the form at
http://www.met.police.uk/roadsafelondon/
http://www.met.police.uk/roadsafelondon/