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by mr bajokoses
9 Oct 2019, 3:11pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Popped in after a bit of a break, and what is clear from the last few pages is that...

Nothing has changed, nothing has changed.
by mr bajokoses
14 Jun 2019, 3:45pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

bovlomov wrote:
mr bajokoses wrote:It's clear from the last few posts on here and on the leadership thread that Boris Johnson is the obvious choice to unify the country...


... just not in the way he is telling us he will.

Imagine if he became PM and then lost his seat. His majority in Uxbridge is about 5000. I would have thought that would make him vulnerable to tactical voting, especially as he has peed off a lot of Asians in the past couple of years.


I imagine that beneath Johnson's bluster and bluff, he knows he is being backed into a corner. I think he recognised the impossibility of the situation in 2016 and was happy to see May drink from the poisoned chalice.

Nothing of the little he has said about his plans is possible, or makes any sense when questioned. He is not so stupid that he doesn't know he is lying.

Eddie Mair has the measure of him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhV_UdO6ztQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqz6H0Crbm8.

Losing his seat might be a relief for him in the end.

Happily for non-fans of Boris, whatever happens next Johnson is going to fail, catastrophically. It's just a shame the whole country has to pay the price of his ambition.
by mr bajokoses
14 Jun 2019, 3:16pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

It's clear from the last few posts on here and on the leadership thread that Boris Johnson is the obvious choice to unify the country...


... just not in the way he is telling us he will.
by mr bajokoses
13 Jun 2019, 1:00pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Tory leader - place your bets
Replies: 887
Views: 34474

Re: Tory leader - place your bets

PDQ Mobile wrote:Now he is forced to campaign for what he only saw as a vehicle to power, not his full conviction.


Assuming Johnson gets his coveted PM job, here is the ready-made excuse that the leavers will fall back on when Johnson inevitably fails. He's not a real brexiter, just a fake. That he is not a real anything is beside the point.

The Telegraph's Peter Foster is right I believe when he says the next phase of our brexit saga must be owned by a brexiter.

Maybe we should listen to MickF and support Esther McVain :lol:

(BTW I am always amazed at the chasm between Peter Foster's sensible brexit analysis, and the rest of the Telegraph's content).
by mr bajokoses
12 Jun 2019, 1:48pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Tory leader - place your bets
Replies: 887
Views: 34474

Re: Tory leader - place your bets

The Tory party leadership horrorshow might make some people wistful, nostalgic even, for the good old days of strong and stable Theresa May. Here is an analysis of her tenure as Prime Minister that might help overcome those feelings.

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/06/11/don-t-start-pining-for-theresa-may-she-was-unspeakably-dire
by mr bajokoses
7 Jun 2019, 2:35pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:And that 29 % from party going for just two months!
The winner was what 31%.
Labour are very weak as we all know.

So that 29 % are what.........easily led


We often hear about how new the Brexit Party is, but it's just another lie. As Carole Cadwalladr eloquently put it, BXP is just the latest host body for Farage, the tapeworm of UK politics, having discarded the husk of UKIP.

He had his big chance in Peterborough, and blew it. I wonder if Farage will respect the 'will of the people' and slink away to obscurity?
by mr bajokoses
3 Jun 2019, 9:30am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Mick F wrote:No regrets.


So you say Mick, but a few posts ago you said:
Mick F wrote:Yes, I'm a Leaver, but I was happy just gently moaning about it, but now we have a complete can of worms.

Do I still want Brexit?
Not 100% sure really, and I'm not happy about wearing the "Brexit Badge" and being tarred with the same brush as the extremists.
If I could turn the clocks back, we wouldn't have joined in the first place. If I could turn the clock back not as far, we should have left sleeping dogs lie.

Now the can of worms is open, it's too late to push them back in.


Some of which might be read as regretful.
by mr bajokoses
2 Jun 2019, 10:15pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Mick F wrote:The Leave people are clear - leave in accordance with the referendum - though not clear on how of course, and that's the sticking point.


It doesn't help that nobody has worked out how to do it without restarting civil war in Ireland or breaking up the United Kingdom.

Our present government is (just about) responsible enough not to do this. Who knows what would happen if Farage's Brexit Party took power?

If that were to happen it would be the responsibility of those who voted for it.
by mr bajokoses
29 May 2019, 1:48pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Cugel wrote:
bovlomov wrote:
Mick F wrote:Millions of us have wanted us Out for donkey's years. Farage and his ilk had never been heard of twenty or thirty years ago. I paid no attention to any of the campaigns. I had no need to as I knew how to vote, and given the opportunity, I would continue to vote Out just like I would have done since I was eighteen years old.

All polls and elections over the previous decade suggest that leaving the EU was a minority interest. Most people didn't care that much.

They were made to care by a concerted - and partly illegal - campaign by billionaire media operators, and advertising. I know everyone thinks it doesn't affect them, but the evidence shows that it does. That's why advertisers advertise. It works.


A fundamental truth is this sea of wordery! All of us are, to a great degree, programmable flesh robots. Even the programmers themselves are flesh robots! We humans have long been infested with a metaphysical parasitic species, manifesting in words, concepts, notions and many other patterns that take root in out big brains and evolve in a fashion that use us genetic evolvers to implement thei rown memtic evolutionary drifts.

We are stuffed with hubris and so believe we are "in charge" or "making rational decisions" or "reasoning" or doing any of those other things that are supposedly the exclusive abilities of clever humans making informed choices.

Ha!

Cugel


Where have you been Cugel? People have been passionately debating our membership of the customs union for decades. You can hardly go anywhere without hearing strong views on the most-favoured-nation rule, or the tariff rate quota. Oh, wait...
by mr bajokoses
29 May 2019, 11:54am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Mick F wrote:Yep.
:D

I don't know, I mean a do do do da da da da, Fall in line NA.........ok......Yep :!:


Glad that's been cleared up. One of the more coherent leave arguments.
by mr bajokoses
29 May 2019, 10:24am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Mick F wrote:This is where many folk are wrong, not in the facts, but the funding made no difference to much of the vote IMHO.


Mick, if somebody else had said this, would you not wonder why that money was spent if it wasn't going to make any difference?
by mr bajokoses
29 May 2019, 9:35am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Mick F wrote:
reohn2 wrote: ....... thanks to the most pathetic and incompetent PM and government the UK has had in a lifetime.
Yes, I agree with this.

It's because of them, that we're in this mess. Yes, I'm a Leaver, but I was happy just gently moaning about it, but now we have a complete can of worms.

Do I still want Brexit?
Not 100% sure really, and I'm not happy about wearing the "Brexit Badge" and being tarred with the same brush as the extremists.
If I could turn the clocks back, we wouldn't have joined in the first place. If I could turn the clock back not as far, we should have left sleeping dogs lie.

Now the can of worms is open, it's too late to push them back in.


Mick, that is very candid, thanks for sharing it.

IMO moderate politicians are already moving towards disowning brexit. It's only a matter of time until it's only being pushed by extremists - in that category I include Johnson, Raab, Rees-Mogg, Hoey, Corbyn, Farage (obviously), and still many others.

Moderate people like Mick will increasingly be horrified at what is happening in the name of 'the will of the people', what the extremists are doing in their name.

What can they do about it? For a start, not voting for the Brexit Party.
by mr bajokoses
28 May 2019, 4:46pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

al_yrpal wrote:Rubbish, there is probably more than 17.4 million of us now. In absolute numbers the number that voted for Leave candidates, and NOT Remain or Leave, was tiny compared with Leavers who expressed their views in the Brexit Referendum. Your Unicorn is non existent, keep on grasping at straws... :D


al_yrpal wrote:all ... opinion, much of it transparent propaganda
by mr bajokoses
28 May 2019, 11:08am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 21765
Views: 848463

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

bovlomov wrote:This idea that everyone is lying all the time, it is corrosive and empowers the biggest liars of all.


This ^^^.

It is essential to see that the liars are in a minority.

Brexit promoters lied, big time, and as a result won the referendum.

Tory and Labour party leadership continues to lie, big time, as they seem to think the public cannot accept honesty - maybe they're right although the numbers are moving inexorably against them.

It says something that the only candidates for Tory leadership who stand a chance of 'success' are the lying ones. Rory Stewart's attempt will get nowhere. The Tory party membership seems to favour comforting lies over uncomfortable truth.

There are far fewer outright liars in the backbenches. Collectively they feel much less compulsion to keep lying. Hence, voting down May's awful deal, though it is the only deal available it is obvious to the honest politicians it is far inferior to EU membership.

Calls for the whole of parliament to be sacked are very disingenuous. The problem is not parliament.

Liars will always be caught out in the end.