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Considering events, what is your view on the statements made by the CTC in this link?
Has statements in the link above lived up to your expectation either good, indifference or bad?
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- 21 Dec 2016, 3:22pm
- Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
- Topic: Governance Review - Member Consultation closed 12 Dec 10:00am
- Replies: 74
- Views: 32164
- 20 Dec 2016, 2:20pm
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: Sadiq Khan hires Nike executive for £98,000 walking and cycling czar role
- Replies: 24
- Views: 3792
Sadiq Khan hires Nike executive for £98,000 walking and cycling czar role
Do we have a view on this ?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sa ... 24481.html
Sadiq Khan hires Nike executive for £98,000 walking and cycling czar role
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sa ... 24481.html
Sadiq Khan hires Nike executive for £98,000 walking and cycling czar role
- 19 Dec 2016, 1:35pm
- Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
- Topic: Compulsory Helmets in Local Group.
- Replies: 89
- Views: 64268
Re: Compulsory Helmets in Local Group.
May be somebody should point this issue out to CUK at national level.
I know that PT is particularly against compulsory helmet use.
I know that PT is particularly against compulsory helmet use.
- 13 Dec 2016, 11:16pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Do we have statesmen/Stateswomen any more, are politician today inferior to those from the past?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1012
Do we have statesmen/Stateswomen any more, are politician today inferior to those from the past?
Do we have statesmen/Stateswomen any more, are politician today inferior to those from the past?
Has reorganisation of management functions in society generally result in poorer management decision or are thing better today?
Has reorganisation of management functions in society generally result in poorer management decision or are thing better today?
- 13 Dec 2016, 5:23pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Has the UK become a less tolerant society?
- Replies: 57
- Views: 3575
Has the UK become a less tolerant society?
Has the UK become a less tolerant society?
Has the UK become a less tolerant society for those who views do follow the norm?
Has the UK become a less tolerant society for those who views do follow the norm?
- 10 Dec 2016, 9:14am
- Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
- Topic: Is this forum a reputational risk?
- Replies: 23
- Views: 16084
Re: Is this forum a reputational risk?
Audax67 wrote:With polls such as this there's certainly the risk of being thought unbearably stuffy and not fully in command of English. "Reputational" would have earned you a stern talking-to when I was at school.
Explain?
- 10 Dec 2016, 4:43am
- Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
- Topic: Is this forum a reputational risk?
- Replies: 23
- Views: 16084
Re: Is this forum a reputational risk?
gaz wrote:gaz wrote:(I have a bit of history with polls that may have been pulled from the forum boards due to a risk of them bringing the forum into disrepute)
By way of explanation.
Long before YEWBAB joined the forum, a small section had been dedicated to discussions about a proposal to convert the CTC to a Charity. Some might say that the proposal was somewhat controversial .
In April 2010 I posted a poll (IIRC including caveats that the forum was open to non-CTC members and the poll could not be considered representative, it was just a bit of fun) on whether the forum members would be voting "Yes" or "No" to the Charity conversion.
Shortly after I placed it the post was removed, it now resides in the section only accessible to the forum volunteer staff. I received a PM from the mods by way of explanation. I haven't kept a copy so what follows is paraphrasing from my memory rather than verbatim.
It was reported to me that at the time of setting up the Charity Debate boards the mods had decided that polls would be a bad idea. They had not announced this on the forum. They foresaw problems in the seemingly likely event that the result of a forum poll did not mirror the result of the AGM vote. Having pulled it they'd then reviewed their decision and upon further reflection concluded it could go ahead since there were clear caveats in place. When they had tried to re-instate the post they discovered that the forum software of the time would not let them because of the poll. I was offered the opportunity to recreate the post and the poll therein myself, I declined.
I have never taken issue with that decision by the moderators, nor of any other decision to pull any of my posts (there have been a few ). I am probably taking liberties suggesting that posting my poll could have amounted to bringing the forum into disrepute, my bad .
Therefore, any view that is express on this forum about the running of or the policy of CUK that goes counter to that held by the BOARD OF TRUSTEES of the CUK should not be allowed?
- 1 Dec 2016, 12:13am
- Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
- Topic: Governance Review - Member Consultation closed 12 Dec 10:00am
- Replies: 74
- Views: 32164
Re: Governance Review - Member Consultation closes 12 Dec 2016.
gaz wrote:That brings us on to another clause in the proposed AoA.14. APPOINTMENT OF TRUSTEES
14.1 The Trustees shall comprise up to twelve people, including:
(a) at least nine Elected Trustees elected under Article 16;
(b)Co-opted Trustees appointed under Article 17;and
(c)the Senior Independent Trustee appointed under Article 18.
With the commentary indicating this is the size of the Board as approved by the 2016 AGM. IMO that is not the whole story.
Whilst the 2016 AGM did set the numbers of the current board it did not change the limits on the numbers of the board in future which are defined in the AoA. The current AoA state:5 OFFICERS
5.1 The Council shall consist of not more than twenty-two and not fewer than five members, elected as hereinafter prescribed, together with not more than four members co-opted by the Council. Co-opted Councillors shall not have the right to vote at Council Meetings or in postal ballots. Except for those Councillors filling casual vacancies, Councillors shall hold office from 1 January following their election or their co-option by the Council for a period of three years.
The current AoA allow for the members to vary the number of Councillors (see 5.4) by an Ordinary Motion (50%+ majority) so long as the number remains within the above bounds. If the proposed AoA go ahead any future change would require a Special Motion (75%+ majority).
Eagle eyed readers will also note that 5.1 in the current AoA also provides that:Co-opted Councillors shall not have the right to vote at Council Meetings or in postal ballots.
The proposed AoA are subtely different in their treatment of Co-opted Trustees.20.6 Every Trustee has one vote on each issue ...
Gaz
You have highlighted the consequences of the proposal changes but you have stated you view on them
- 29 Nov 2016, 9:52pm
- Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
- Topic: Governance Review - Member Consultation closed 12 Dec 10:00am
- Replies: 74
- Views: 32164
Re: Governance Review - Member Consultation closes 12 Dec 2016.
When I leant that the CTC was going to consultant it members on the redrafting of the article of association I thoughts that the CTC COUNCIL had turn over a new leaf.
I then read the survey, boy was I disappointed.
What is your view on this exercise?
The questions are listed below
CONSULTATION TO OUR MEMBERS ON OUR CHARITY'S GOVERNING DOCUMENTS
Our Memorandum and Articles of Association have not been fundamentally reviewed for many years. With our AGM, earlier this year discussing the need for plain English in our governing documents, we are running a consultation ahead of submitting proposed changes to our next AGM in 2017.
Because the organisation has made changes from time to time, and because the documents don't use plain English, our Memorandum and Articles of Association are not sufficiently clear.
The governing documents (our memorandum and articles of association) of the Cyclists Touring Club '1' - the principal trading name for Cycling UK - have not been fundamentally reviewed for many years. The last significant changes were made when CTC became a charity. At that time the objects of CTC were refined and some other changes required to secure charitable status were made but a deliberate decision was also taken to avoid making more wide-spread changes to the memorandum and articles at that time. As a
result, our memorandum and articles of association remain a patchwork of provisions which have been amended from time to time since the company was first formed in 1887. The result is a document that is far from clear and very few of our Board members or staff have a close understanding of it.
And so, we need to streamline our governing documents to make them more user-friendly. However, we recommend that in doing so the fundamental elements of the articles of association: the objects, the composition of our Board of trustees, and the make-up of the company membership are not changed.
You will find on our website a copy of our Member Consultation on the Draft Memorandum and Articles of Association, a report highlighting the issues we would like you to note, and a copy of the Articles of Association as amended for your consideration.
The Trustees of the charity have reviewed the draft and the amended version incorporates their comments. We are now consulting the membership after which we will revert to the board.
Consultation
Once we have received and responded to the comments of members of Cycling UK, we will; (i) take a revised draft to the Trustees for approval; and
(ii) invite the members to pass a special resolution adopting the new articles of association at the 2017
AGM.
The draft articles of association reflect the recommendations of the Governance review, which were approved by Cycling UK’s members at the 2016 AGM. We are not reopening for further discussion decisions made during that process.
Please note that the closing date for this consultation is 10 am on Monday 12 December 2016.
'1' - The name of the charity is recorded with the apostrophe at the Charity Commission and without it at Companies House. Technically, therefore the company’s name lacks the apostrophe. This could be changed by Special Resolution at the same time as adopting the new articles.
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
OBJECTS
Do you agree that the objects do not need to change at this time?
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
POWERS
Do you agree that the powers of the charity should not be changed - and should remain as they are under the existing memorandum and articles of association?
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
THE MEMBERS
Do you agree that the membership structure should remain unaltered?
Yes
No, please state your reason below
Do you agree that the Trustees should be able to change the membership fee without the approval of the membership at a general meeting?
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
MEMBER BALLOTS
The draft articles of association keep the members ability to challenge a decision of the Trustees by seeking a poll of the whole membership is retained – see article 13. There are two key changes in the draft: the number of members who must sign a petition to initiate a ballot has been increased from 200 to 400, and the trustees may seek the cost of carrying out a ballot from the person who misuses the system.
Concerns have been raised over:
- the cost to the club of recent ballots
- the ease with which such ballots may be employed by individual members or a small groups of members; and
- the risk that such ballots may be misused.
- the Charity Commission’s view that the ballot mechanism is not suitable for a charity.
Do you agree:
(a) that members should be able to call for a ballot in this way?
0 Yes
0 No
Do you agree:
(b) that the ability for members to cause a ballot in this way should be restricted?
Yes
No
Do you agree:
(c) that the Trustees should be able to recover the reasonable costs incurred in carrying out the ballot if they ‘reasonably conclude that a Petition is not lodged in good faith or is designed to achieve aims other than the best interests of the Charity’?
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
APPOINTMENT/REMOVAL OF TRUSTEES
Do you agree that:
(a) the composition of the board should be as approved in the
Governance Review?
Yes
No
Do you agree that:
(b) the relevant section of the articles of association is in plain English and helpful? Articles of Association as Amended
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
OTHER PROVISIONS
Do you have any other queries or comments related to the document?
No
Yes, please comment below
I then read the survey, boy was I disappointed.
What is your view on this exercise?
The questions are listed below
CONSULTATION TO OUR MEMBERS ON OUR CHARITY'S GOVERNING DOCUMENTS
Our Memorandum and Articles of Association have not been fundamentally reviewed for many years. With our AGM, earlier this year discussing the need for plain English in our governing documents, we are running a consultation ahead of submitting proposed changes to our next AGM in 2017.
Because the organisation has made changes from time to time, and because the documents don't use plain English, our Memorandum and Articles of Association are not sufficiently clear.
The governing documents (our memorandum and articles of association) of the Cyclists Touring Club '1' - the principal trading name for Cycling UK - have not been fundamentally reviewed for many years. The last significant changes were made when CTC became a charity. At that time the objects of CTC were refined and some other changes required to secure charitable status were made but a deliberate decision was also taken to avoid making more wide-spread changes to the memorandum and articles at that time. As a
result, our memorandum and articles of association remain a patchwork of provisions which have been amended from time to time since the company was first formed in 1887. The result is a document that is far from clear and very few of our Board members or staff have a close understanding of it.
And so, we need to streamline our governing documents to make them more user-friendly. However, we recommend that in doing so the fundamental elements of the articles of association: the objects, the composition of our Board of trustees, and the make-up of the company membership are not changed.
You will find on our website a copy of our Member Consultation on the Draft Memorandum and Articles of Association, a report highlighting the issues we would like you to note, and a copy of the Articles of Association as amended for your consideration.
The Trustees of the charity have reviewed the draft and the amended version incorporates their comments. We are now consulting the membership after which we will revert to the board.
Consultation
Once we have received and responded to the comments of members of Cycling UK, we will; (i) take a revised draft to the Trustees for approval; and
(ii) invite the members to pass a special resolution adopting the new articles of association at the 2017
AGM.
The draft articles of association reflect the recommendations of the Governance review, which were approved by Cycling UK’s members at the 2016 AGM. We are not reopening for further discussion decisions made during that process.
Please note that the closing date for this consultation is 10 am on Monday 12 December 2016.
'1' - The name of the charity is recorded with the apostrophe at the Charity Commission and without it at Companies House. Technically, therefore the company’s name lacks the apostrophe. This could be changed by Special Resolution at the same time as adopting the new articles.
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
OBJECTS
Do you agree that the objects do not need to change at this time?
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
POWERS
Do you agree that the powers of the charity should not be changed - and should remain as they are under the existing memorandum and articles of association?
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
THE MEMBERS
Do you agree that the membership structure should remain unaltered?
Yes
No, please state your reason below
Do you agree that the Trustees should be able to change the membership fee without the approval of the membership at a general meeting?
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
MEMBER BALLOTS
The draft articles of association keep the members ability to challenge a decision of the Trustees by seeking a poll of the whole membership is retained – see article 13. There are two key changes in the draft: the number of members who must sign a petition to initiate a ballot has been increased from 200 to 400, and the trustees may seek the cost of carrying out a ballot from the person who misuses the system.
Concerns have been raised over:
- the cost to the club of recent ballots
- the ease with which such ballots may be employed by individual members or a small groups of members; and
- the risk that such ballots may be misused.
- the Charity Commission’s view that the ballot mechanism is not suitable for a charity.
Do you agree:
(a) that members should be able to call for a ballot in this way?
0 Yes
0 No
Do you agree:
(b) that the ability for members to cause a ballot in this way should be restricted?
Yes
No
Do you agree:
(c) that the Trustees should be able to recover the reasonable costs incurred in carrying out the ballot if they ‘reasonably conclude that a Petition is not lodged in good faith or is designed to achieve aims other than the best interests of the Charity’?
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
APPOINTMENT/REMOVAL OF TRUSTEES
Do you agree that:
(a) the composition of the board should be as approved in the
Governance Review?
Yes
No
Do you agree that:
(b) the relevant section of the articles of association is in plain English and helpful? Articles of Association as Amended
Yes
No
Consultation to our members on our charity's governing documents
OTHER PROVISIONS
Do you have any other queries or comments related to the document?
No
Yes, please comment below
- 28 Nov 2016, 9:29pm
- Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
- Topic: CTC AGM 2017
- Replies: 34
- Views: 18201
Re: CTC AGM 2017
Yes from 2006 Companies Act for special resolutionsSteady rider wrote:The Articles provides details for proxies in general, no specific mention of the Chair, but the voting papers gives one proxy - the Chair prominence, that helps to lead or encourages people to vote for the easy option, tick Chair.
Is the 75% figure a general legal requirement?
- 28 Nov 2016, 4:12pm
- Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
- Topic: CTC Tours discussion - clarification about membership
- Replies: 29
- Views: 14777
Re: CTC Tours discussion - clarification about membership
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit_organizationBarred1 wrote:Cycle mag just arrived and has some stuff about the holiday business - saying they're not for profit - is that right because a glance at the last few accounts says:
CTC Cycling Tours & Holidays is a wholly owned subsidiary of CTC and made "Donations to chaitable holding company" of 2015 £75,568; 2014 £68,502; 2013 £83,073
Unless I don't understand which is possible that looks like profit being paid over as donations.
B1
I think many persons understanding of the term Non-profit organization is incorrect.
A nonprofit organization (NPO) (also known as a non-business entity[1]) is an organization with the purpose of which is something other than making a profit.[2] A nonprofit organization is often dedicated to furthering a particular social cause or advocating for a particular point of view. In economic terms, a nonprofit organization uses its surplus revenues to further achieve its purpose or mission, rather than distributing its surplus income to the organization's shareholders (or equivalents) as profit or dividends. This is known as the non-distribution constraint.[3] The decision to adopt a nonprofit legal structure is one that will often have taxation implications, particularly where the nonprofit seeks income tax exemption, charitable status and so on.
- 24 Nov 2016, 7:47am
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Roger
- Replies: 3
- Views: 778
Re: RE: Roger
YEWBAB wrote:sjs wrote:greenroad wrote:Do we know the results of Rogers court case?
?
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2015/12 ... ndbag.html
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=101899&p=961260&hilit=Matt+Ridley%27#p961260
- 24 Nov 2016, 7:44am
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Roger
- Replies: 3
- Views: 778
Re: RE: Roger
sjs wrote:greenroad wrote:Do we know the results of Rogers court case?
?
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2015/12 ... ndbag.html
- 23 Nov 2016, 9:53pm
- Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
- Topic: Autumn statement
- Replies: 1
- Views: 2565
Autumn statement
Autumn statement
Is the time of milk and honey for cycling over?
WITH the retention of the cycle to work scheme and small amount of money for local roads and the world championships. I was wondering if the powers that be in HMG does not look kindly on cycling.
Is the time of milk and honey for cycling over?
WITH the retention of the cycle to work scheme and small amount of money for local roads and the world championships. I was wondering if the powers that be in HMG does not look kindly on cycling.