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by hondated
18 May 2021, 6:26pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: What did you do to your bike today
Replies: 99
Views: 4870

Re: What did you do to your bike today

Continued to work on my Bianchi. Last night I actually attempted to remove the Free Hub on the rear wheel yet again. And yet again it would not budge.
Today having changed it to a Compact chain set 50/34 from triple 52/42/30 I set about adjusting the front derailleur but the chain kept coming off of the big chain ring. So I assumed that the curvature of the triple wasn't compatible with the 50t ring.
Thankfully I was able to dive into my box of spare parts and find one that might do the job, But it was a brace on and I needed a banded one. Jumped back into the box and found a Shimano marked band and the Campag FD fits a treat. So tomorrow its back to fine tuning it but having given it a few rotations it looks no longer jumper off the big chain ring so things are looking good. :wink:
by hondated
17 May 2021, 4:28pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

Thanks slowster. Because I have fitted Harry Rowland wheels with a Campag freehub ( thanks PQ) I am able to use a 29t sprocket which isnt too bad climbing hills with a Compact CS up front.
Sadly the lure of buying the bike was that it had a triple chainset but I found 52,42,30 wasn't great gearing for me and that it was a prestigious brand Bianchi so this bike has never given me what I thought it would.
The wheels will I think become Wall Art after all of this.
PQs comment about Campag of being a aspirational brand has set the hares running in my head so I might just at some time upgrade it to Record or Super Record. After all any money I either spend on bike parts or bikes will just be wasted :wink: :lol:
by hondated
17 May 2021, 11:18am
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

pq wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 10:48am It looks to me as though you need to ditch this wheel, if as others have said it's a bodged up hotch-potch of obsolete bits. You're complaining a lot about how Shimano would be much easier, but it seems to have nothing to do with that and everything to do with the parts Bianchi have cobbled together to make this bike. A new rear wheel with either a current Shimano or Campag pattern freehub will make your life a whole lot easier. I'd go with Campag becasue that's what your gears are, but either can be made to work.

The Miche sprockets are available, I bought a couple very recently but it's true most places don't have them. Google will oblige. Mine came from Bikeinn - but I only bought from them becasue the 32T I wanted are particularly rare and I couldn't find them anywhere else. There are also old stocks of Marchisio here and there if you hunt around which go up to 30.

For clarity it would be good if you stopped using the word freewheel. One of my earlier posts was simply becasue your use of that word meant I misunderstood what you were saying.
Thanks PQ I will as you advise quit using the term freewheeling.
As you can see from slowster posting it seems like you said Bianchi have just notched up a 9 speed hub. Given the wheels are virtually brand new I am loathed to either sell or ditch them just because I cannot fit lower gearing and now I know they are actually 9 speed I may be able to get a larger 9 speed sprocket.
I think your earlier comment about Campag gearing being aspirational is a fair one as well.
Given my own experience with Campag is at the lowest end of its market I think I may have expressed a foolish comment there. On reflection I do think the reason you pay so much for Campag is that at the Chorus and above level you are buying quality items. In my own experience with Shimano I always used 105 and then decided to upgrade one of my bikes via Ebay with Ultegra and I cannot believe how much better quality the gear changes are. That said I do understand that the latest versions of 105 are equivalent to old Ultegra.
As they say you never stop learning do you.Thanks again Ted
by hondated
17 May 2021, 10:52am
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

Thanks very much for all your research slowster.
I think what you are saying supports my opinion on Bianchi building these bikes on the cheap.My theory is that when 10 speed came out and was the bees Knees they had a problem in that 9 speed was now unfashionable so they squeezed another sprocket on.
I was always a bit slow on the uptake at school but I finally get what every one has said about it's either a Miche FW designed to take either Shimano or Campag sprockets but mine will take neither..So given your research is that because my FW is designed to only take 9 speed so the design of the FW is different to that of a 10 speed. If you look at the photo I would say that the spacers are fairly thick given the FW is only meant to take 9 sprockets and your research. I've a good a mind to buy a used Campag 9 speed to see if it does fit.
Thanks again slowster.
Also see our Brucey has commented on this and if your reading this Brucey behave yourself your meant to be resting :wink:
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by hondated
16 May 2021, 9:19pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

No not obvious to me foxyrider but I wiΔΊl give it a go tomorrow.
Aren't' the teeth orientated to work only one way as the back of the sprockets are just flat
by hondated
16 May 2021, 4:15pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

Just been out to my box of sprockets
The one on the top is Miche the other Shimano.
The free wheel is Miche just like Campag the Shimano will not fit it.
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Given by the advice and views expressed I am inclined to think that Bianchi built this has a budget bike, it's an ML3, and that the advice offered is not necessarily wrong but the parts Bianchi have fitted ie wheels & hubs are just meant to be disposable. They're heavy and there is no way on earth you could ever remove the free wheel believe me I have tried. If I hadn't bought it from Butlers I would say it's a fake. My Gid is not even Celeste but Grey.
by hondated
16 May 2021, 3:56pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

pq wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 3:09pm I've just noticed that that is a Campag spline because one of the ridges is stepped. So buy a 29T Miche Campag sprocket and you'll be fine.
With respect PQ the point I made in my OP was that they are like hens teeth to get hold of. But that said as I have written I will dig out my box of shimano sprockets later and see whether they fit as you & others have suggested.
Having just watched the Giro I really only need the youth and legs of Bernal. :lol:
by hondated
16 May 2021, 3:50pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

tatanab wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 3:34pm The Miche sprocket you have pictured is marked M. These are 8/9 speed sprockets to fit Miche 8 or 9 speed hubs (I think they may also have fitted 8 speed Campag. The Campag sprocket you have pictured is more recent which has a different spline pattern, so it is no surprise it doesn't fit.

Mixing Shimano SPLINED freehubs with Campag SPACED sprockets is easy. I have several machines running 8 and 10 speed doing just this. Shimano hubs with all Campag gear mechs and shifters. Buy appropriately splined spockets and Campg width spacers (from Miche) and it all works fine.
It's interesting what you say about 8/9 speed sprockets as I bought the bike brand new fronm Geoffrey Butler ( now closed ) Croydon.
The beauty 9f what you say is I have a box ful of Shimano sprockets so I will give it a try.
by hondated
16 May 2021, 3:44pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

Valbrona wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 3:41pm I believe Interlock Racing Design do Campag 10 with large sprockets.
Thank you.
by hondated
16 May 2021, 3:44pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

slowster wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 3:31pm
hondated wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 2:23pm Well you can see from the photos I was right Camp sprockets do not fit onto a Miche hub.
I cannot see that. I see a Campagnolo spline pattern freehub, and in the other photograph a Campagnolo sprocket and a Miche sprocket. It's not evident to me simply from those two photographs that the Campagnolo sprocket will not fit on the freehub.
Well you can take it from me that it doesn't.
by hondated
16 May 2021, 2:36pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

Just caught up with posters after my message to Mick.So thanks again to all you that posted after that.
I must admit I am still flummoxed as what you all say makes sense but that said it doesn't answer what I have sent photos on.
Campag sprockets will not fit that spine and it cannot be a spline that takes a Shimano cassette as the spacing would be wrong.
My question rear gearing was asked because I know with Shimano that you can only vary the number of teeth on a sprocket by a small amount and I wondered whether that is the sane with Campag.
by hondated
16 May 2021, 2:23pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

Well what a palaver that was. Removed cassette from wheel of cause that was easy but I didnt make a note of where spacers were fitted. Particularly the yellow one.Well you can see from the photos I was right Camp sprockets do not fit onto a Miche hub.Bianchi definitely cut costs at that time and even back then it cost me a Β£1000.
Even refitting the sprockets was a nightmare. Give me Shimano every time.
I will just work out what gearing I need a buy the sprockets. Thanks everyone.
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by hondated
16 May 2021, 12:26pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

Mick I,ll be back I will remove the cassette from the wheels I am using and fit them onto the new wheels.I l get back to you shortly.Ted
by hondated
16 May 2021, 12:05pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel
Replies: 36
Views: 771

Re: Campagnolo/Miche 11 Speed Cassette on a 10 Speed Free Wheel

cycleruk wrote: ↑16 May 2021, 11:37am That just looks like a standard cassette to me.
Just need a chain whip and cassette tool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KAaP7pbFV0
I don't do mine as tight as he seems to do it. :roll:
Thanks cycleruk and I love watching Calvin's videos as well. No I know how to remove a cassette although many may not. Funnily enough I recently rewrapped my bars and used Calvin's video to do it but I just could not get it wrapped the sane way he was telling me to. So I left a friendly comment explaining that because my levers were Campag and the hoods had rubber spigot it wasn't possible to do it the same way. Surprisingly they got back to me and said it was a fair comment and it's not always possible to do it their way. Nice of them to have gotten back to me as I didn't feel such a numpty.
As for Campag what can I say. Growing up they were the group set to aspire to but ime working on them is so much harder than Shimano. You need special tools to do many things unlike Shimano. In PQ thread I see someone mention fitting a Campag external bracket and needing a special tool. They were right of cause but a good wrapping of rag and a pair of expandable pliers fitted mine. Thanks again.