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by Oldjohnw
21 Oct 2021, 2:45am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: should politics be banned on the forum?
Replies: 338
Views: 15181

Re: should politics be banned on the forum?

I mentioned the fact that he was an RC, as has every news bulletin and comment in the country. That he was a politician with certain views was a simple political fact. His profession could not be left out. Nor the simple fact that he never sought office. And why on earth do I need to have known all about the man before simply acknowledging his murder? That is quite different to bringing in religion and politics into something. Others did all of that.

But hey, I have learned my lesson. Where these pages go now is somewhere I don’t want to be, if you can’t even express human sympathy without people rolling in on you. I have seen something truly ugly. I am now leaving this forum. It’s a sad day when you have to agree with someone’s politics before you can express human sympathy and outrage against a heinous crime.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 9:52pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: should politics be banned on the forum?
Replies: 338
Views: 15181

Re: should politics be banned on the forum?

I think I am with Syd here. I am deeply saddened by what I can only assume is a lack of humanity with some. I started the RIP post in good faith but some have seen fit to turn it into a rant. I can do politics as good as anyone but I hoped that there would be some decency and decorum on a page respecting a murdered parliamentarian. How naive of me.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 9:51pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Replies: 146
Views: 6847

Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP

I think I am with Syd here. I am deeply saddened by what I can only assume is a lack of humanity with some. I started this in good faith but some have seen fit to turn it into a rant.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 9:46pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Replies: 146
Views: 6847

Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP

Psamathe wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 8:13pm
Oldjohnw wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 6:38pm ...... If someone because of faith disagrees with abortion why should they not vote accordingly? ....
Maybe because they were elected to represent their constituents not to provide them a platform for their personal ideology?

Ian
Some of their constituents might approve. MPs are not delegates. They cannot possibly speak for every single constituent.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 7:40pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Replies: 146
Views: 6847

Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP

pete75 wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 6:55pm
Oldjohnw wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 6:38pm
pete75 wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 6:33pm
No one said they should be excluded but they should keep those beliefs out of political decision making.
Their religious faith will colour their thinking. As someone else’s humanist views or socialist views will colour theirs. If someone because of faith disagrees with abortion why should they not vote accordingly? They can be outvoted, as indeed Amess was.
If he truly held the Christian faith he should not have been voting against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability.
Not everyone of faith is against the poor, or in support of capital punishment. Or opposes abortion or LBGT equality. It appears you are now arguing, not that he should have views but he had the wrong kind of Christianity. I am sure you will realise that given my other posts, whilst I have faith, I oppose almost everything that Amess stood for except, perhaps, some of his views of women in prison that I have just learned about, and his opposition to fox hunting. My faith has informed my views of prisoner rehabilitation. Should I have not been involved in prison reform because I am a person of faith?

It show that we are all very complex and cannot always be simply pigeonholed.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 6:38pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Replies: 146
Views: 6847

Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP

pete75 wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 6:33pm
Oldjohnw wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 5:07pm
pete75 wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 4:04pm
Farage was actually in favour of EU citizens having the right to remain.
Religious faith should have no part in political decisions.The UK is not a theocracy.
Religious faith should have no part in political decisions. But people of religious faith should not be excluded and their POV is as valid as anyone’s but should have neither more nor less value.
No one said they should be excluded but they should keep those beliefs out of political decision making.
Their religious faith will colour their thinking. As someone else’s humanist views or socialist views will colour theirs. If someone because of faith disagrees with abortion why should they not vote accordingly? They can be outvoted, as indeed Amess was.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 5:07pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Replies: 146
Views: 6847

Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP

pete75 wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 4:04pm
thirdcrank wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 3:45pm Thanks for that.

Re gay marriage I can see that anybody with religious faith is likely to vote in line with that rather than on party lines.

Perhaps decisions about EU citizens are more constituency-related eg if the likes of Nigel Farage attract a lot of support in the area.

I was really posing the question in respect of things like penal reform, which all parties have tended to sideline.
Farage was actually in favour of EU citizens having the right to remain.
Religious faith should have no part in political decisions.The UK is not a theocracy.
Religious faith should have no part in political decisions. But people of religious faith should not be excluded and their POV is as valid as anyone’s but should have neither more nor less value.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 4:14pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Covid Booster. Yes/No? *** The Covid Thread ***
Replies: 883
Views: 29189

Re: Covid Booster. Yes/No?

Javid is giving a Press Conference at 17.00 today.

And many people have to travel on buses and trains and go into offices and shops and factories and warehouses.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 4:13pm
Forum: Electrically assisted pedal cycles
Topic: Temple Bikes
Replies: 3
Views: 690

Temple Bikes

I know some people, including me, like these:

https://www.templecycles.co.uk/pages/el ... rrency=GBP
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 2:22pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Replies: 146
Views: 6847

Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP

We do indeed differ. I do not see why a simple respectful acknowledgment can not be made without an analysis of someone’s life. There is plenty of time for that in a more reflective way.

Imv it would be premature for the government or the press to attempt an explanation since there has been no inquest, no investigation and no trial as yet. To do so would be injustice, not justice.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 1:01pm
Forum: Fun & Games
Topic: English Language - what "Does your head in" ??
Replies: 2239
Views: 125310

Re: English Language - what "Does your head in" ??

Jdsk wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 9:19am
thirdcrank wrote: 19 Oct 2021, 7:09pm
Jdsk wrote: 18 Oct 2021, 10:25pmWhat do you call a French Transit that never breaks down, and just lugs loads around reliably?
I don't know. What do you call etc?
VAN ORDINAIRE!

Jonathan


Interesting appellation.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 12:56pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Replies: 146
Views: 6847

Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP

Psamathe wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 12:04pm
Oldjohnw wrote: 20 Oct 2021, 11:44am Perhaps I now know better than to simply express human sympathy regarding some one violently murdered in the course of their work. I was neither supporting or condemning him: just trying to show humanity.
I agree with your motive " to simply express human sympathy regarding some one violently murdered in the course of their work" . However, given what has come to light (via quoted sources) about his track record, maybe your initial points about his characteristics were a bit "rose-tinted" which is where tributes do need to be very careful when people have a controversial record.

His murder was a horrendous crime and family, colleagues etc. have my sympathy. For me that does not mean I need to be presented (repeatedly everywhere) with a highly edited selective history of his stance in Parliament.

Ian
When I wrote the piece I had researched the man and was aware of his views and even referred to his political stance. I did not edit his career and was not writing a history, biography, eulogy or obituary. I did not see his career through rose-tinted spectacles at all. But it simply did not seem necessary to address that in the context of this post. It didn’t seem quite the thing to bring it all out at such a time. He isn’t even buried yet.

Clearly people think otherwise. That is equally your prerogative. But I have learned that there are places angels fear to tread and so I will keep quiet in such events in future and when there are unpleasant arguments over a murdered man it at least won’t be on account of anything I have tried to do or say.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 11:44am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Replies: 146
Views: 6847

Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP

Perhaps I now know better than to simply express human sympathy regarding some one violently murdered in the course of their work. I was neither supporting or condemning him: just trying to show humanity.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 9:32am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Covid Booster. Yes/No? *** The Covid Thread ***
Replies: 883
Views: 29189

Re: Covid Booster. Yes/No?

The government has said they are not moving to Plan B. Which presumably means they are but, as ever, late.
by Oldjohnw
20 Oct 2021, 9:30am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Replies: 146
Views: 6847

Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP

I don’t know if there was an online obituary so much as a simple stated of facts, acknowledging a horrible event.