I mentioned the fact that he was an RC, as has every news bulletin and comment in the country. That he was a politician with certain views was a simple political fact. His profession could not be left out. Nor the simple fact that he never sought office. And why on earth do I need to have known all about the man before simply acknowledging his murder? That is quite different to bringing in religion and politics into something. Others did all of that.
But hey, I have learned my lesson. Where these pages go now is somewhere I don’t want to be, if you can’t even express human sympathy without people rolling in on you. I have seen something truly ugly. I am now leaving this forum. It’s a sad day when you have to agree with someone’s politics before you can express human sympathy and outrage against a heinous crime.
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- 21 Oct 2021, 2:45am
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: should politics be banned on the forum?
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- 20 Oct 2021, 9:52pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: should politics be banned on the forum?
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Re: should politics be banned on the forum?
I think I am with Syd here. I am deeply saddened by what I can only assume is a lack of humanity with some. I started the RIP post in good faith but some have seen fit to turn it into a rant. I can do politics as good as anyone but I hoped that there would be some decency and decorum on a page respecting a murdered parliamentarian. How naive of me.
- 20 Oct 2021, 9:51pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
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Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
I think I am with Syd here. I am deeply saddened by what I can only assume is a lack of humanity with some. I started this in good faith but some have seen fit to turn it into a rant.
- 20 Oct 2021, 9:46pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
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- 20 Oct 2021, 7:40pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
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- Views: 7300
Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Not everyone of faith is against the poor, or in support of capital punishment. Or opposes abortion or LBGT equality. It appears you are now arguing, not that he should have views but he had the wrong kind of Christianity. I am sure you will realise that given my other posts, whilst I have faith, I oppose almost everything that Amess stood for except, perhaps, some of his views of women in prison that I have just learned about, and his opposition to fox hunting. My faith has informed my views of prisoner rehabilitation. Should I have not been involved in prison reform because I am a person of faith?pete75 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2021, 6:55pmIf he truly held the Christian faith he should not have been voting against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability.
It show that we are all very complex and cannot always be simply pigeonholed.
- 20 Oct 2021, 6:38pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
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Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Their religious faith will colour their thinking. As someone else’s humanist views or socialist views will colour theirs. If someone because of faith disagrees with abortion why should they not vote accordingly? They can be outvoted, as indeed Amess was.pete75 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2021, 6:33pmNo one said they should be excluded but they should keep those beliefs out of political decision making.
- 20 Oct 2021, 5:07pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
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Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Religious faith should have no part in political decisions. But people of religious faith should not be excluded and their POV is as valid as anyone’s but should have neither more nor less value.pete75 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2021, 4:04pmFarage was actually in favour of EU citizens having the right to remain.thirdcrank wrote: ↑20 Oct 2021, 3:45pm Thanks for that.
Re gay marriage I can see that anybody with religious faith is likely to vote in line with that rather than on party lines.
Perhaps decisions about EU citizens are more constituency-related eg if the likes of Nigel Farage attract a lot of support in the area.
I was really posing the question in respect of things like penal reform, which all parties have tended to sideline.
Religious faith should have no part in political decisions.The UK is not a theocracy.
- 20 Oct 2021, 4:14pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Covid Booster. Yes/No? *** The Covid Thread ***
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Re: Covid Booster. Yes/No?
Javid is giving a Press Conference at 17.00 today.
And many people have to travel on buses and trains and go into offices and shops and factories and warehouses.
And many people have to travel on buses and trains and go into offices and shops and factories and warehouses.
- 20 Oct 2021, 4:13pm
- Forum: Electrically assisted pedal cycles
- Topic: Temple Bikes
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- 20 Oct 2021, 2:22pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
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- Views: 7300
Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
We do indeed differ. I do not see why a simple respectful acknowledgment can not be made without an analysis of someone’s life. There is plenty of time for that in a more reflective way.
Imv it would be premature for the government or the press to attempt an explanation since there has been no inquest, no investigation and no trial as yet. To do so would be injustice, not justice.
Imv it would be premature for the government or the press to attempt an explanation since there has been no inquest, no investigation and no trial as yet. To do so would be injustice, not justice.
- 20 Oct 2021, 1:01pm
- Forum: Fun & Games
- Topic: English Language - what "Does your head in" ??
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- 20 Oct 2021, 12:56pm
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
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- Views: 7300
Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
When I wrote the piece I had researched the man and was aware of his views and even referred to his political stance. I did not edit his career and was not writing a history, biography, eulogy or obituary. I did not see his career through rose-tinted spectacles at all. But it simply did not seem necessary to address that in the context of this post. It didn’t seem quite the thing to bring it all out at such a time. He isn’t even buried yet.Psamathe wrote: ↑20 Oct 2021, 12:04pmI agree with your motive " to simply express human sympathy regarding some one violently murdered in the course of their work" . However, given what has come to light (via quoted sources) about his track record, maybe your initial points about his characteristics were a bit "rose-tinted" which is where tributes do need to be very careful when people have a controversial record.
His murder was a horrendous crime and family, colleagues etc. have my sympathy. For me that does not mean I need to be presented (repeatedly everywhere) with a highly edited selective history of his stance in Parliament.
Ian
Clearly people think otherwise. That is equally your prerogative. But I have learned that there are places angels fear to tread and so I will keep quiet in such events in future and when there are unpleasant arguments over a murdered man it at least won’t be on account of anything I have tried to do or say.
- 20 Oct 2021, 11:44am
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
- Replies: 146
- Views: 7300
Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
Perhaps I now know better than to simply express human sympathy regarding some one violently murdered in the course of their work. I was neither supporting or condemning him: just trying to show humanity.
- 20 Oct 2021, 9:32am
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Covid Booster. Yes/No? *** The Covid Thread ***
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Re: Covid Booster. Yes/No?
The government has said they are not moving to Plan B. Which presumably means they are but, as ever, late.
- 20 Oct 2021, 9:30am
- Forum: The Tea Shop
- Topic: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
- Replies: 146
- Views: 7300
Re: Sir David Amess MP. RIP
I don’t know if there was an online obituary so much as a simple stated of facts, acknowledging a horrible event.