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by Zulu Eleven
13 Aug 2019, 1:01pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: The Green Lanes Blog
Replies: 30
Views: 1718

Re: The Green Lanes Blog

pwa wrote:
This reminds me of the argument that was made when hunting with hounds was being banned, that if that was banned the anglers would be next. Well that was ridiculous and proved false, and this is the same.


No, it was the grouse shooters
by Zulu Eleven
12 Aug 2019, 3:38pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: The Green Lanes Blog
Replies: 30
Views: 1718

Re: The Green Lanes Blog

No, I’m afraid that you are incorrect, the operator of a motor vehicle has the *right* to do whatever he wants, so long as: i) He operates within the terms of that licence ii) his actions are reasonable; and iii) he does not contravene the law of the land That, for example, is why the operator of a ...
by Zulu Eleven
11 Aug 2019, 10:29am
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Council limiting modes of transport to a cycling cafe
Replies: 87
Views: 5250

Re: Council limiting modes of transport to a cycling cafe

The inspector qualified it in her decision with the note: A “cyclists’ meet” is distinguishable from use as a café where visiting cyclists might be at the premises for the primary purpose of taking refreshment. My interpretation would be that in saying that she was clearly excluding any gathering o...
by Zulu Eleven
10 Aug 2019, 7:49pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Council limiting modes of transport to a cycling cafe
Replies: 87
Views: 5250

Re: Council limiting modes of transport to a cycling cafe

Part of the key issue here is the interpretation of what exact category of use is restricted (or equally what was *intended* to be restricted by) by the inspectors phrase “cyclists meet” The councils enforcement notice clearly interprets it as all gatherings of cyclists before, during or after an or...
by Zulu Eleven
10 Aug 2019, 4:52pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: The Green Lanes Blog
Replies: 30
Views: 1718

Re: The Green Lanes Blog

The National Park, or the mountain, or the wild country, whatever you want to call it, does not start at the edge of the tarmac. The roads, in summer full of cars, are still visible and audible from the tops. This is another intrusion into a well used landscape. I wonder whether those motorists who...
by Zulu Eleven
10 Aug 2019, 4:31pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: The Green Lanes Blog
Replies: 30
Views: 1718

Re: The Green Lanes Blog

I do get what you mean but whereas I think I could stand between two reasonable people from the Ramblers and an MTB group and get them to find common ground, the motorised fraternity are on the other side of a chasm. I have worked with horse riders and ramblers, sat around the same table. The rambl...
by Zulu Eleven
10 Aug 2019, 4:10pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: The Green Lanes Blog
Replies: 30
Views: 1718

Re: The Green Lanes Blog

I’ll add, it’s interesting that those opposed so often mention noise, engine noise etc. I wonder if they would suddenly change their minds if the 4WD/motorcyclists were using silent hybrids/battery powered vehicles? Of course one of the regular criticisms laid against mountain bikers is that we are ...
by Zulu Eleven
10 Aug 2019, 4:01pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: The Green Lanes Blog
Replies: 30
Views: 1718

Re: The Green Lanes Blog

I certainly do "play" when I cycle in the countryside, but I don't do it in a way that spoils it for every other user group. That is what 4x4s and motorbikers do on moorland tracks. They spoil it for every other user group. Walkers. MTBers, horse riders and, of course, farmers. Most of us...
by Zulu Eleven
10 Aug 2019, 3:33pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: The Green Lanes Blog
Replies: 30
Views: 1718

Re: The Green Lanes Blog

I fail to understand how we ever got to a situation where recreational 4x4 ers feel they have a right to play on remote tracks. Well, it’s certainly not everyone’s opinion that they are ‘playing’, do you regard cyclists riding along roads for no other reason than the enjoyment of the countryside as...
by Zulu Eleven
10 Aug 2019, 1:05pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: The Green Lanes Blog
Replies: 30
Views: 1718

Re: The Green Lanes Blog

Do you think that the people who are currently most vociferously campaigning against 4wd access to the countryside are any different from the ones who, just a few years ago were saying things like, and I quote: “ Mountain biking is, in most cases, inappropriate in the wilderness areas of open moorla...
by Zulu Eleven
10 Aug 2019, 11:22am
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Ride London - Does it help the cause of cycling?
Replies: 51
Views: 2553

Re: Ride London - Does it help the cause of cycling?

I’m of the belief that Ride London actively makes things worse for the local cycling community. Disregarding in any way the frustration the road closures might cause to local residents, There’s two reasons for this: 1) The route is designed for closed road, competition use, rather than general recre...
by Zulu Eleven
20 Apr 2019, 2:28pm
Forum: Off-road Cycling.
Topic: Cycle Surrey Hills routes
Replies: 7
Views: 7576

Re: Cycle Surrey Hills routes

For information, we’ve had some reports of some vandalism on the route signage- there were a couple of instances last year, and then some it would appear more recent ones. We know that at least two post have been knocked down/removed (one twice now) and hat several others have had the A4 signs peele...
by Zulu Eleven
11 Apr 2019, 1:43am
Forum: Off-road Cycling.
Topic: North Downs Way
Replies: 27
Views: 12192

Re: North Downs Way

Really the bigger question is to begin to analyse why, despite this data, we still only have two of our fifteen flagship National Trails, whose very purpose is to encourage people out into the countryside, fully open to riders Sorry if I missed it, but which is the other one fully open, alongside P...
by Zulu Eleven
4 Dec 2018, 3:25pm
Forum: Off-road Cycling.
Topic: Off road history.
Replies: 54
Views: 18132

Re: Off road history.

This was the very reason that the CTC pressed for bridleway access in the late 60s. There was no idea at the time that a future generation would use these routes for anything other than joining places up. Actually, that’s not true. The achievements secured by the CTC in the 1968 parliamentary debat...
by Zulu Eleven
16 Nov 2018, 8:28pm
Forum: Off-road Cycling.
Topic: North Downs Way
Replies: 27
Views: 12192

Re: North Downs Way

You don't need flagship trails to encourage people into the countryside. That’s not what the data suggests There are plenty of roads around and many people including me cycle them. Maybe they’re not trying to cater for people like you? After all it's not the countryside people want but more of a pl...