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by carpetcleaner
12 Jun 2020, 8:25am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: As a cyclist can you empathise with the BAME community?
Replies: 37
Views: 1207

Re: As a cyclist can you empathise with the BAME community?

Cyril Haearn wrote:Yes


How does this empathy manifest itself in your cycling activities?
by carpetcleaner
11 Jun 2020, 5:31pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

mercalia wrote:Looks like Farage has become a casualty of this ruckus. His contract with LBC hasnt been renewed.

This week the 56-year-old compared Black Lives Matters protestors to the Taliban, for demolishing statues of slaves traders.

His departure comes after the station's owners Global Radio were criticised by some presenters over its response to the protests, following the death of George Floyd.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53006006

Shame as he did make some sense on other topics than Brexit



Probably pressure from advertisers on the station fearing boycotts.

Companies know they risk losing part of the intolerant PC section of their customer base if they don't make all the right noises which such people like to hear. They also know most people couldn't care less about the politics of a company which makes their teabags or mobile phone.

So it makes commercial sense to pander to those intolerant types to keep their custom safe in the knowledge that doing so won't drive away other customers.

These companies are not interested in the causes of the PC mob, they just want their money.
by carpetcleaner
11 Jun 2020, 4:11pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

pwa wrote:
Freddie wrote:That will hold true for statues of Mandela and Gandhi (and anyone else) too. We shouldn't assume the people you think should be memorialised is an opinion shared now or some time in the future by 5 or 6 people with the tools and will to say otherwise.

I admit to still being taken aback by your desire to keep a statue of a slave trader. If this was Alabama in the 1960s I'd find your attitude easier to understand.

I believe the statue has now been hoisted out and the graffiti and rope may well be preserved as it goes on display as a museum exhibit. Result!


If too many people see that mob behaviour gets a Result! then we can look forward to challenging times ahead.

I'd prefer that we persevered with the democratic method of doing things, but it is getting increasingly clear that people who can't get what they want that way are prepared to go down the mob and violent route. They aren't prepared for the people to vote correctly and to have the correct attitudes.

Most people are not inclined to join rampaging mobs and they won't be too impressed with people who do or with politicians who show sympathy for them.
by carpetcleaner
11 Jun 2020, 12:15pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

Vorpal wrote:We've already rewritten history to erect that statue of a slaver and call them a benefactor. We are just setting things right, now.


We? You were in that mob in Bristol?

Whether or not a statue is removed from a public place should be a matter for public debate and decisions made by elected representatives.

Anyone who condones the behaviour of the Bristol mob is in no position to criticise anyone who takes the law into their own hands whether they agree with their motives or not.

What's the point of having laws and elected representatives if angry people full of righteous indignation think they can do as they like?

The Bristol mob was acting from a sense of entitlement. That attitude is becoming more common amongst some sections of society who think that they needn't obey laws when it suits them because they are special, clever, caring people who know better than everyone else.
by carpetcleaner
11 Jun 2020, 11:32am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

roubaixtuesday wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:
Nuance and reflection?


I didn't think you'd be in favour of it.


No point being nuanced and reflective if your political opponents are angry zealots who demand obedience.

You have to deal with such people in a way they understand.
by carpetcleaner
11 Jun 2020, 11:16am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

roubaixtuesday wrote:Ghandi's views on the holocaust and Nazism, like the debate on statutes, deserve much more nuance and reflection than knee jerk attempts to point score some here are attempting.

I suggest anyone actually interested in the subject start a thread for it.


Nuance and reflection?

The perpetually outraged politically correct classes don't go in for that as they constantly accuse everyone else of all sorts of horrible things, proudly boasting of their zero tolerance.

And what is nuanced and reflective about rampaging through the streets of a city with a torn down statue and throwing it in the river?
by carpetcleaner
11 Jun 2020, 10:55am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

Ben@Forest wrote:
Freddie wrote:Why accept statues of Gandhi? He was obviously a racist. In Ghana his statue has already been removed


Gandhi had contemptible views on the Holocaust as well.


Why did the Queen approve a peerage for Richard Attenborough 11 years after he made a film about Ghandi which portrayed him in a very positive light?

She obviously didn't do her research.
by carpetcleaner
11 Jun 2020, 9:29am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

roubaixtuesday wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
I've an objection to people who want to celebrate slavery, and I wish they'd do it more quietly and without insisting that every other Brit does it too.


You have a problem with people noisily celebrating slavery in your neighbourhood?

I don't. If anyone in my area is celebrating it they are doing very quietly indeed because I haven't heard of them, and they aren't angrily demanding that everyone else does it too.


I refer you to the post up thread with the picture of local councillor, golliwog in hand, who currently characterises Colson as a hero, and the more than a century his statue has been supported to stand celebrating his achievements.

Rather than force the whole community to join in this celebration with a public statue, these people should do so, if they wish to, quietly and privately.

The councillor could install a bust in his hallway, perhaps.


As I said above, let me know when Boris appoints him as party spokesman on community cohesion.

He is putting forward his views in a quiet manner. He isn't taking to the streets angrily demanding everyone else obeys him.

I'm just kicking myself for spending quite a lot of my time helping a group objecting to the construction of a supermarket near my house.

We were successful in the end but it would have been more time efficient to simply wait until it had been built and then hired a crane and a wrecking ball and gone and smashed it up beyond repair, perhaps throwing the rubble in a local river.

The direct approach seems to be quite fashionable these days, with regard for the law very much a minor consideration.
by carpetcleaner
11 Jun 2020, 8:36am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

roubaixtuesday wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:
pwa wrote:To me and my family he is as close any any real person gets to being an example of how to live your life, so as an inspirational example he should be there for all children to see.

And who decided he was a terrorist? Don't tell me the judiciary of an illegitimate Apartheid regime, because they don't count. Well maybe they do for you....

If I were asked to give examples of people who merit being portrayed as a statue in a public space, in the UK, I would probably have Mandela and Ghandi in there, and my examples of people who ought not to be there would include Hitler and Pol Pot. Colston would be firmly with the latter two.

Times have changed and most people are now looking at history from perspectives not restricted to those of white Europeans, seeing things from more angles. A lot of our "heroes" turn out to be imperfect, which shouldn't be a surprise, but others turn out to be real villains. The Ladybird books lied! Those of us living today don't need to feel guilt about the misdeeds of our ancestors, but we do need to stop sweeping stuff under the carpet.


Most of us have not swept anything under the carpet. We are simply not that interested in any alleged misdeeds of our ancestors.

And why should we be?

Guilt is not inherited.

I've no objection to people assuming the guilt of long dead Britons if that's what they want to do, but I wish they'd do it more quietly and without insisting that every other white Brit does it too. Not everyone has virtue signalling as a hobby.


I've an objection to people who want to celebrate slavery, and I wish they'd do it more quietly and without insisting that every other Brit does it too.


You have a problem with people noisily celebrating slavery in your neighbourhood?

I don't. If anyone in my area is celebrating it they are doing very quietly indeed because I haven't heard of them, and they aren't angrily demanding that everyone else does it too.
by carpetcleaner
11 Jun 2020, 8:17am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

pwa wrote:
mercalia wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
Why not answer your own question?



he was terrorist and nothing to do with this country. should be outside the sth african embassy

To me and my family he is as close any any real person gets to being an example of how to live your life, so as an inspirational example he should be there for all children to see.

And who decided he was a terrorist? Don't tell me the judiciary of an illegitimate Apartheid regime, because they don't count. Well maybe they do for you....

If I were asked to give examples of people who merit being portrayed as a statue in a public space, in the UK, I would probably have Mandela and Ghandi in there, and my examples of people who ought not to be there would include Hitler and Pol Pot. Colston would be firmly with the latter two.

Times have changed and most people are now looking at history from perspectives not restricted to those of white Europeans, seeing things from more angles. A lot of our "heroes" turn out to be imperfect, which shouldn't be a surprise, but others turn out to be real villains. The Ladybird books lied! Those of us living today don't need to feel guilt about the misdeeds of our ancestors, but we do need to stop sweeping stuff under the carpet.


Most of us have not swept anything under the carpet. We are simply not that interested in any alleged misdeeds of our ancestors.

And why should we be?

Guilt is not inherited.

I've no objection to people assuming the guilt of long dead Britons if that's what they want to do, but I wish they'd do it more quietly and without insisting that every other white Brit does it too. Not everyone has virtue signalling as a hobby.
by carpetcleaner
10 Jun 2020, 3:25pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Little Britain.
Replies: 47
Views: 1686

Re: Little Britain.

Cunobelin wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:
kwackers wrote:You're a bit late to that party.


Maybe the mob will descend on bookshops next and destroy books they don't like.

They could burn them in the street like the Nazis did.


I claim Godwin's Rule!!!!!!

This is purely a case reductio ad Hitlerum


Like the Maoists did.

Is that better for you?

Any flavour of angry person taking to the streets to enforce their will on others is not what should be happening in a democracy and anyone who does it displays their intolerance and lack of respect for everyone else's rights to have a say in decision making.
by carpetcleaner
10 Jun 2020, 1:48pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Little Britain.
Replies: 47
Views: 1686

Re: Little Britain.

kwackers wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:Maybe librarians will join in on the act and remove books from the shelves if they disapprove of the opinions expressed in them or of the ways people are described.

You're a bit late to that party.


Maybe the mob will descend on bookshops next and destroy books they don't like.

They could burn them in the street like the Nazis did.
by carpetcleaner
10 Jun 2020, 1:46pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
Replies: 607
Views: 16884

Re: George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue

The Mail reports that 'far right' people are planning to defend statues.

So there could be some good old punch ups coming.

The people who pulled down that statue in Bristol have set the mood. Contempt for the law and the democratic process can lead to all sorts of problems.
by carpetcleaner
10 Jun 2020, 1:03pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Out of stock
Replies: 16
Views: 882

Re: Out of stock

francovendee wrote:
peetee wrote:I have just started to re-order parts after 9 months of not having to bother. The difference in prices in general is quite alarming.
One brand of bar tape has increased from £5 to £9 and a particular chainring and chain have both increased from £9 to £15.

I've noticed the hike in prices even on low end bike parts.
The upsurge in cycling has been very good for manufacturers/ retailers so no need to slash or keep prices low.
An old misers like me, who aren't easily influenced by style but by value for money, seem to be looking for a supplier that won't exist.
I run a bike with 3X8 gears, 26", rim brakes and prefer sq taper BB's. My plan is if I see anything that I may need in the future then buy it.
'Old' stuff can usually be found with but my normal is becoming old. I'll keep my bike on the road but it'll take longer to find the bits and maybe cost more money.


I've found that one of the few advantages of getting older is that bike bits last longer. They take less punishment from my weaker legs.
by carpetcleaner
10 Jun 2020, 12:56pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Little Britain.
Replies: 47
Views: 1686

Re: Little Britain.

Where does this type of censorship end?

Maybe librarians will join in on the act and remove books from the shelves if they disapprove of the opinions expressed in them or of the ways people are described.