Cyril Haearn wrote:Yes
How does this empathy manifest itself in your cycling activities?
Cyril Haearn wrote:Yes
mercalia wrote:Looks like Farage has become a casualty of this ruckus. His contract with LBC hasnt been renewed.
This week the 56-year-old compared Black Lives Matters protestors to the Taliban, for demolishing statues of slaves traders.
His departure comes after the station's owners Global Radio were criticised by some presenters over its response to the protests, following the death of George Floyd.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53006006
Shame as he did make some sense on other topics than Brexit
pwa wrote:Freddie wrote:That will hold true for statues of Mandela and Gandhi (and anyone else) too. We shouldn't assume the people you think should be memorialised is an opinion shared now or some time in the future by 5 or 6 people with the tools and will to say otherwise.
I admit to still being taken aback by your desire to keep a statue of a slave trader. If this was Alabama in the 1960s I'd find your attitude easier to understand.
I believe the statue has now been hoisted out and the graffiti and rope may well be preserved as it goes on display as a museum exhibit. Result!
Vorpal wrote:We've already rewritten history to erect that statue of a slaver and call them a benefactor. We are just setting things right, now.
roubaixtuesday wrote:carpetcleaner wrote:
Nuance and reflection?
I didn't think you'd be in favour of it.
roubaixtuesday wrote:Ghandi's views on the holocaust and Nazism, like the debate on statutes, deserve much more nuance and reflection than knee jerk attempts to point score some here are attempting.
I suggest anyone actually interested in the subject start a thread for it.
Ben@Forest wrote:Freddie wrote:Why accept statues of Gandhi? He was obviously a racist. In Ghana his statue has already been removed
Gandhi had contemptible views on the Holocaust as well.
roubaixtuesday wrote:carpetcleaner wrote:roubaixtuesday wrote:
I've an objection to people who want to celebrate slavery, and I wish they'd do it more quietly and without insisting that every other Brit does it too.
You have a problem with people noisily celebrating slavery in your neighbourhood?
I don't. If anyone in my area is celebrating it they are doing very quietly indeed because I haven't heard of them, and they aren't angrily demanding that everyone else does it too.
I refer you to the post up thread with the picture of local councillor, golliwog in hand, who currently characterises Colson as a hero, and the more than a century his statue has been supported to stand celebrating his achievements.
Rather than force the whole community to join in this celebration with a public statue, these people should do so, if they wish to, quietly and privately.
The councillor could install a bust in his hallway, perhaps.
roubaixtuesday wrote:carpetcleaner wrote:pwa wrote:To me and my family he is as close any any real person gets to being an example of how to live your life, so as an inspirational example he should be there for all children to see.
And who decided he was a terrorist? Don't tell me the judiciary of an illegitimate Apartheid regime, because they don't count. Well maybe they do for you....
If I were asked to give examples of people who merit being portrayed as a statue in a public space, in the UK, I would probably have Mandela and Ghandi in there, and my examples of people who ought not to be there would include Hitler and Pol Pot. Colston would be firmly with the latter two.
Times have changed and most people are now looking at history from perspectives not restricted to those of white Europeans, seeing things from more angles. A lot of our "heroes" turn out to be imperfect, which shouldn't be a surprise, but others turn out to be real villains. The Ladybird books lied! Those of us living today don't need to feel guilt about the misdeeds of our ancestors, but we do need to stop sweeping stuff under the carpet.
Most of us have not swept anything under the carpet. We are simply not that interested in any alleged misdeeds of our ancestors.
And why should we be?
Guilt is not inherited.
I've no objection to people assuming the guilt of long dead Britons if that's what they want to do, but I wish they'd do it more quietly and without insisting that every other white Brit does it too. Not everyone has virtue signalling as a hobby.
I've an objection to people who want to celebrate slavery, and I wish they'd do it more quietly and without insisting that every other Brit does it too.
pwa wrote:mercalia wrote:roubaixtuesday wrote:
Why not answer your own question?
he was terrorist and nothing to do with this country. should be outside the sth african embassy
To me and my family he is as close any any real person gets to being an example of how to live your life, so as an inspirational example he should be there for all children to see.
And who decided he was a terrorist? Don't tell me the judiciary of an illegitimate Apartheid regime, because they don't count. Well maybe they do for you....
If I were asked to give examples of people who merit being portrayed as a statue in a public space, in the UK, I would probably have Mandela and Ghandi in there, and my examples of people who ought not to be there would include Hitler and Pol Pot. Colston would be firmly with the latter two.
Times have changed and most people are now looking at history from perspectives not restricted to those of white Europeans, seeing things from more angles. A lot of our "heroes" turn out to be imperfect, which shouldn't be a surprise, but others turn out to be real villains. The Ladybird books lied! Those of us living today don't need to feel guilt about the misdeeds of our ancestors, but we do need to stop sweeping stuff under the carpet.
Cunobelin wrote:carpetcleaner wrote:kwackers wrote:You're a bit late to that party.
Maybe the mob will descend on bookshops next and destroy books they don't like.
They could burn them in the street like the Nazis did.
I claim Godwin's Rule!!!!!!
This is purely a case reductio ad Hitlerum
kwackers wrote:carpetcleaner wrote:Maybe librarians will join in on the act and remove books from the shelves if they disapprove of the opinions expressed in them or of the ways people are described.
You're a bit late to that party.
francovendee wrote:peetee wrote:I have just started to re-order parts after 9 months of not having to bother. The difference in prices in general is quite alarming.
One brand of bar tape has increased from £5 to £9 and a particular chainring and chain have both increased from £9 to £15.
I've noticed the hike in prices even on low end bike parts.
The upsurge in cycling has been very good for manufacturers/ retailers so no need to slash or keep prices low.
An old misers like me, who aren't easily influenced by style but by value for money, seem to be looking for a supplier that won't exist.
I run a bike with 3X8 gears, 26", rim brakes and prefer sq taper BB's. My plan is if I see anything that I may need in the future then buy it.
'Old' stuff can usually be found with but my normal is becoming old. I'll keep my bike on the road but it'll take longer to find the bits and maybe cost more money.