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roubaixtuesday wrote:The way I see it is:
Without drastic social distancing to buy us time, half a million people would have died. So it is the right policy for now.

Eventually, all restrictions will go. Absolute best case 6 months, worst case maybe 5 years.

Where did you pluck that garbage figure from?
Almost 30,000 to 500,000 is some leap and more than the World wide death total Statements like that are part of the hysteria I mentioned which you are obviously well and truly signed up to
5 years for restrictions to be lifted It will be done and forgotten about before next year
Do you sit up at night thinking this stuff up?Are you the person who starts all the fear factor memes on Social media?You're constantly mentioning CUK and this Forum for allowing a member to post "misleading" information on the Stats thread yet here you are making up your own figures.Do you recommend the Mods delete your posts then?

Oldjohnw wrote:Always a relief when someone knows more than the entire worldwide medical and scientific professions put together.

Do you mean the entire WW medical and scientific professions who can't agree with each other Country to Country?
I suggest you remove your Rose-tinted-glasses and stop allowing your mind to be made up for you

roubaixtuesday wrote:

T-800 wrote:I have thought it through and I disagree.
The Virus would have peaked regardless.
Restricted movement,Social distancing etc has had little effect in the actual process.
It makes people feel good though and politicians and the media love it so it must’ve worked eh?
Hysteria/hype...some fall for it and some don’t.
You’re obviously the former I’m not.

"Restricted movement,Social distancing etc has had little effect in the actual process. "

Yes, slowing it down massively and reducing the total death toll by a factor of ten or so is only a very little effect.

It's not hype, it's the best understanding we have.

No it’s what we’re being force fed.
Some believe the propaganda some don’t.
Of course it’s easy to claim it helped as we have nothing to compare it to do we?
It seems that anyone who questions your belief on this is frowned upon.I see you seem intent in getting another members posts(and possibly him) removed on another thread?
We’re not all sheep.

roubaixtuesday wrote:

T-800 wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:Sorry you think that at least 26,000 deaths is hysteria.

No need to be sorry
As I said earlier if it were 250,000(UK) It would still be hysteria.
2,500,000(UK)then it would be a worry.I still wouldn’t freak out personally but I might start to take note.
As is the death rate is very low World wide.So yes I think there is some hysteria.

I'm not sure you've thought this through.

If it were not for the actions taken, which you seem to characterise as "hysteria", there would indeed be about 250,000 dead.

If you don't think 250,000 corpses is worth taking note of, then I think you're in a pretty small minority.

I have thought it through and I disagree.
The Virus would have peaked regardless.
Restricted movement,Social distancing etc has had little effect in the actual process.
It makes people feel good though and politicians and the media love it so it must’ve worked eh?
Hysteria/hype...some fall for it and some don’t.
You’re obviously the former I’m not.

Oldjohnw wrote:Sorry you think that at least 26,000 deaths is hysteria.

No need to be sorry
As I said earlier if it were 250,000(UK) It would still be hysteria.
2,500,000(UK)then it would be a worry.I still wouldn’t freak out personally but I might start to take note.
As is the death rate is very low World wide.So yes I think there is some hysteria.

mercalia wrote:will we ever see this again?



the end of all mass crowd sports?

Of course we will.Sport and spectating will return to normal as will everything else.
Once the hysteria wears off people will forget all about this bug.

Re bread making,not sure it’s a class or age thing but I don’t know anyone who makes their own.I know plenty of folk with Bread makers gathering dust in the back of a cupboard.....along with other fad kitchen accessories.
My gran used make bread before the NCB ripped out the old fireplaces with Ovens beside them

I’m working class but I think my dad would disagree.
I’m from a mining/steel background and a steel worker myself but am not “working class” like my parents and grand parents.
We just have/can afford stuff now that was not possible even as little as 40 years ago.
I remember driving to Edinburgh in 1977 and dads Mini Traveller radiator sprung a leak.We had to keep stopping to fill it up until we got to a garage.The cost of repair was dads budget for the planned holiday.We stayed in Edinburgh a day or two and had to come home.That just wouldn’t happen now!
I think class is more a mind set nowadays.

al_yrpal wrote:Possibly flu yes, thats exactly what it felt like, the longest illness ever for me. I am hoping to be able to find out if I have had it and whether I have immunity.

Al

Well they can't even decide if the current swab tests are accurate so I would guess a test to determine if you've had it and are immune is a long way off

djnotts wrote:I find all this worrying about flour baffling. A truly middle class concern I assume.

Glad someone else said it!
There’s plenty in the shops around here..we must all be too common

My dad used to take us to a "secret" Conker tree and a "secret" Walnut tree in the 1970s.About 10 years ago I decided to take my Daughter.The Walnut tree was(is) still there but I think more or less everyone locally must know about it and the Conker tree...?.....it was(is) now in someones back garden as a housing Estate was built there in the 1990s
I sometimes ride past both,well nearby through the village and it reminds me of going there as a lad

I've been using the Asda App for about a week now and it just works
We tested it on a "full" shop yesterday and it was so much easier/faster.
The wife is converted and she's down loaded the Android version.I even use it for just a few items now as the basket aisle is always busy

pete75 wrote:How should taxes be collected fairly - other than you paying less and others paying more? Your whole premise seem to be based on you getting a free or cheap ride off the backs of others.

Do you actually read what others post or just skip through and pick the bits you want to use?:-
How is this "letting others pay more" or "getting a free ride"?

Up to £20k..2-3%
£20-30k..3-5%
£30-40k..5-7%
£40-50k...7-10%etc etc.
40% shouldn’t come into it under £200k+

PAYE taxation should rise along with earnings(as I posted above).It doesn't,it's unfair and it favours the very wealthy/high earners.
If Businesses/Corporations etc were forced to actually pay the same percentage as the working man there would be uproar.
Why should a persons Tax hike massively when they hit £50k?
As I've said,but you constantly seem to miss my point,if it were fairer I would have no problem.It isn't so I do.

al_yrpal wrote:Coop convenience stores often have instore bakeries and bake rolls and bread fresh every day. The freshly baked stuff is yummy. IME you dont know what you are talking about the turnover of goods in Coop convenience stores is very rapid indeed. They usually have a small section dedicated to stuff going out of date that day.

Al

The Co-op over t'hill in t'happy valley where I work always sells the pastries/bread etc that expires extremely cheap 21:00-22:00 most days.There's also a Lidl and Aldi there but many still use the Co-op.

pete75 wrote:Ask them if they think public services like the NHS, roads etc should have a lot less money spent on them. That is what lower taxes will make happen unless other taxes are greatly increased. How the hell do you think the Covid-19 expenditure will be recovered?

They probably realise,like me,that paying more does not equal getting more
IF and that's the point here IF the money from taxes were collected fairly and then spent properly there would be no need to pay so much.
The trouble with the "pay more" brigade is they use "pay more and the NHS will be better funded"(very apt at the minute) chestnut to try to justify their argument.
NO!
It just is not true.We could pay ££Billions more and the Govt would still squander it.It is naive to believe all problems can be solved by further shafting the working classes Not having bent/corrupt people in charge of the money would be a start.
I've seen my taxes wasted,squandered and misspent for the last 30+ years so I would like a big rebate thank you very much.As that aint happening paying nothing at all for the next 30 years very much appeals.
As for your last comment,well,I think we can all hazard a guess who'll be paying for that and it won't be those that can afford to

Cyril Haearn wrote:TWO METRES!
Better to keep more than two metres apart if possible

2m,8m,1m WHO can't make their minds up.Probably because no one knows for sure.

Positive:-
Time off!
Getting "furloughed" on Sunday for at least 3 weeks.Pity it's not for the next 8 years

Amusing:-
Watching the mass hysteria and listening to some of the "theories" banded about.

Frustrating:-
Constantly seeing/hearing lockdown when we clearly are not anywhere near a lockdown but the press said it and everyone seems to have run with it.
Idiots shouting "TWO METRES" when you're actually further away than 2m.
"Social distancing" in general.Like "credit crunch" and "Brexit" more media made up phrasing that everyone has adopted.
All the clapping for everyone nonsense.