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by Regulator
8 Mar 2016, 9:14am
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club
Replies: 703
Views: 295715

Re: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club

gaz wrote:Posts on thread suggest the rebrand may be the end of our heritage and the Winged Wheel - Cries of "you are abandoning our heritage".

CTC sends a mailing demonstrating the continued use of our heritage and the Winged Wheel - Cries of "how dare you use our heritage".

Damned if they don't, damned if they do :mrgreen: .



Hey gaz...

How about posting something that Head Office hasn't fed you?
by Regulator
28 Feb 2016, 8:29am
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

gaz wrote:CTC is a lobbying group, in fact it is the earliest national cycling lobbying group. The name change won't alter that.

The change of name is surely driven by a desire for an all-inclusive consticuency rather than an unique one.



CTC is not as much of a lobbying group as it used to be. After all, you don't bite the hand of your paymasters...
by Regulator
24 Feb 2016, 5:10pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

honesty wrote:Haven't you just hit on a key point there though. These people are elected to vote one behalf of the members. They have done this and gone for a new logo. To then request a full member vote seems to go against the original principle of having elected representatives...



They're not "elected to vote on behalf of the members" - they're elected to represent the members and their interests. There are certain things, such as the change of am organisations name or status, that you would normally expect to be put to a vote of the full membership.

What the rules allow and what is right and proper are often two different things.
by Regulator
23 Feb 2016, 10:43pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

TonyR wrote:...And, for those saying PTs comment was libellous (not you I know) its not libellous to express an opinion or to make statements of fact.


I take it you're not a lawyer...
by Regulator
23 Feb 2016, 10:10pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

TonyR wrote:
Although some of the worst abusive comments were sent to me as unsolicited email circulars I don't intend to breach the confidence of private communications. But you can find other examples such as:

"It is our opinion the entire decision-making process was flawed and any dissent was either ignored or shouted down. A similar technique was used regarding the governance issue, but more of that a little in the future."
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=103825&p=984255#p984255

"Does this mean PT has something about the night about him?"
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=103813&p=984143#p984143

"At agm will be the battle for governance this where the CEO will be packing the ctc council with yes men and women."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/9113225 ... nref=story

"CEO does not like to be criticized. ....... I suspect any critical motions CEO may try to be reject."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/9113225 ... nref=story


Other than the 'something of the night' comment, these are hardly personal attacks and are the sort of criticism the CEO of a membership organisation should expect to be on the end of from time to time - particularly when some of his actions are clearly questionable.

If Paul Tuohey is such a delicate flower that he can't take robust criticism then he's in the wrong job. Good Lord, I've had worse comments made about me by the Chair of Council and Mr Tuohey's predecessor, Kevin Mayne...
by Regulator
23 Feb 2016, 4:29pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

TonyR wrote:
Psamathe wrote:The "personal comments" are just responding to a personal attack made by an individual - which seems perfectly reasonable


I'm glad you see it as perfectly reasonable that the CEO should finally respond with some personal comments to a string of attacks on him by Philip on Facebook, this forum, by email and elsewhere.



Care to provide some evidence of a "string of attacks on him [Paul Tuohy] by Philip on Facebook, this forum, by email and elsewhere"?

Paul Tuohy's comments were unprofessional and potentially libelous, which is why I'm sure he was advised to delete them. If he had any integrity he'd apologise for them. I don't think anyone will be holding their breath though...
by Regulator
23 Feb 2016, 3:56pm
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: The new logo?
Replies: 71
Views: 65370

Re: The new logo?

gaz wrote:1878: Founded as Bicycle Touring Club
1883: Rebranded Cyclists' Touring Club :wink:
1886: Traditional logo usurped by that ghastly Winged Wheel. :lol:
1906: Members voted to rebrand as The Touring Club and to amend the constitution to let in all tourists. High Court rejects application and we get stuck with focusing on those pesky cyclists. :shock:
1998: Rebranding, the current squiggly bicycle thing appears together with "CTC", "Working for Cycling", "CTC Right to Ride" and "CTC Helpline".
2012: Following a vote by the members, the Cyclists Touring Club becomes a registered Charity, "the national cycling charity" adopted as a strapline.
2013: Rebranding process announced. :idea: You did all contact your Councillor and let them know your opinions, didn't you?
2014: Council approves in principle to a change in trading name with "National Cycling Association" the hot favourite. :mrgreen:
2016: Rebranding process announced to be complete "We are Cycling UK", "Cycling UK". Poll of the Whole Club anticipated as the rebrand has come as a complete shock :? .

Probably missed a few.



Lordy, gaz... have National Office got a direct line to your account?
by Regulator
23 Feb 2016, 7:18am
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

admin wrote:OK, folks, please can we avoid the personal comments?

By all means discuss the pros and cons of the new name and branding (which we haven't yet seen, other than a basic logo), but don't turn this into a name-calling session.

Otherwise I might have to protect my legal position as website host by letting The Moderators loose on this thread! ;)



I did wonder whether that was the reason the CEO deleted his attack on Philip Benstead - it was potentially libellous.

Of course, as a charity, CTC/WACU would be on a sticky wicket funding a libel defence for its CEO - or funding him trying to sue someone.

Most of the comments on here would be covered by 'fair comment' anyway. I would think that if CTC are suggesting otherwise, they're trying to scare you into toeing the party line... bullying is their stock in trade.
by Regulator
22 Feb 2016, 6:14pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

TonyR wrote:You probably won't be surprised to know that I think it needed to be said. I am not sure what happened with Philip but something did because he went from being a Councillor supportive of what was happening - as the records Gaz dug out show - until he failed to get re-elected and now seems on a campaign to block the things he was part of starting and challenge the results of the election. I'm not even actually clear what he is hoping to achieve - re-election? A change of the name to what? The name remaining the same despite him helping start the name change process? If I knew what his proposals were it might be different but he seems more focussed on what he doesn't want to be rather than what he does.


I think you're being somewhat simplistic and disingenuous. Philip has been pointing out the governance issues with CTC for some time - certainly long before the last election (an election where the nominations process frankly smells), as have many other members and former councillors. The process for changing the name of the organisation has been, at the best, opaque and shows that Council were not confident that they could convince the membership.

I hope that Philip succeeds in getting his whole poll of the club - but I doubt that the Chair or the Chief Executive will agree to the poll being overseen by the ERS - as they'd be too scared of losing.
by Regulator
22 Feb 2016, 4:31pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

honesty wrote:Im assuming you are talking about this? https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/change-branding-name-ctc-cycling-uk-demand-poll-whole-philip-benstead

At which point it is David Cox who wrote this, not Paul Tuohy


No. I'm talking about this comment from Paul Tuohy:

Philip is very committed to cycling but somewhat misguided. He stood for re-election of the charity board but times have changed and he received the lowest polling ever in CTC's 138 history with 0.2% of the possible share of voters. But that's democracy. It's such a shame he pursues this vendetta against a charity working for cycling that he still promotes for his own self interest. He could do much more positively for cycling if he chose to. Meanwhile next week the Minister for cycling will announce £500,000 to help Cycling Uk get more hard to reach communities to engage with cycling to school, work for pleasure and good health. Just for clarity. The vote for our rebrand was 15-1, not 10 -5.


Funnily enough, it has now been removed - perhaps someone pointed out how unprofessional and counterproductive it was? But not before it had been copied elsewhere (contemporaneously as well)....
by Regulator
22 Feb 2016, 11:44am
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB
Replies: 249
Views: 86910

Re: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

What's the bet if there's a whole poll of the Club, Head Office won't use ERS to carry out the poll in case the membership gives the 'wrong' answer...
by Regulator
22 Feb 2016, 11:41am
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Paul Tuohy has been involved in a shameful personal attack on Philip Benstead on LinkedIn. Totally inappropriate behaviour for a member of staff.
by Regulator
19 Feb 2016, 4:03pm
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: Chair's statement
Replies: 19
Views: 31251

Re: Chair's statement

The new logo and strapline is risible. I can't believe that a supposedly professional company came up with it...


...actually I can. It seems that there are always fools wanting to be parted from their money.
by Regulator
19 Feb 2016, 2:46pm
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: CTC CHANGE OF NAME
Replies: 114
Views: 30386

Re: CTC CHANGE OF NAME

Now, who was it that was warning at the time of the charity debate that this was likely to happen?

Who was categorically told this would never happen and they were just scaremongering?
by Regulator
1 Feb 2015, 10:19am
Forum: Cycling UK Topics and Discussions
Topic: No more CTC technical officer ** NO HOAX **
Replies: 680
Views: 50102

Re: No more CTC technical officer ** NO HOAX **

TonyR wrote:
bobzeller wrote: It is almost seemed that our club has been stolen from us. I don't know if it was a deliberate policy right from the start, but I feel hoodwinked and I don't like it one bit.


AIUI the CTC consulted its membership about what they wanted from it and is now following the wishes and priorities of its members. Of course there will always be some that wanted something different but wasn't what most people wanted.


The CTC didn't consult it's membership. Council lied to them and misled them.