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by Pizza_man
7 Oct 2011, 3:37pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: Funny/stupid idea - lejogle in 10 days
Replies: 46
Views: 30724

Re: Funny/stupid idea - lejogle in 10 days

Hi, sorry for such a long post, I admire what you are attempting, you remind me of myself, so thought I would share my experience with you. Best of luck, it’s one hell of a challenge. Do not underestimate the effect of fatigue when doing such high mileage everyday....

I attempted a challenge on a similar scale; I tried to do 2500miles in 20 days (viewtopic.php?f=22&t=53828). I would regard myself as experienced long distance cyclist, have done 200+ miles a day on many occasions (including on back to back days) and have done more than 260 miles in a “day”. Got to the point where after a 200 mile ride experienced no discomfort the next day ie. Providing did nothing to strenuous could barley tell I had done anything the day before….

The first part of my journey was supposed to be LEJOG in five days. Did about 180 miles a day for first few days without problem, at this point I thought it was going to be easy. Day 3 was where it started to get tough, hit big hill in lake distinct (think called Shap Fell?) not too step but goes on a fair way. I would usually have found this no problem, but after 450 miles in 2 ½ days it felt like it broke me….

Pushed on though ALLOT of discomfort and made it to Edinburgh on schedule. Was actually really glad when had issue (wheel bucked due to most of spokes on rear wheel coming very lose), gave me excuses to stop early and add extra day (know if this did not happen I still could not have made it in 5 days as every mile was getting harder). Completed LEJOG in 6 days and had 2 days rest before starting return leg. Even after 2 days rest was still hard to get on bike but pushed on as once I set myself a target I don’t like to fail and felt like I would be disappointing those who sponsored me.

Was not enjoying cycling at that point (weather did not help…). Barely got past Inverness, struggled to do 150 miles in 2 days (which should be absolutely nothing to me) cannot describe how hard the cycling was at this point. Even a 1 or 2 % gradient made me want to get off and walk, combined with the pain was simply the feeling of running on empty. Decided to call it a day, plan was to catch train back home, have some rest, then do some rides based near home to clock up some mileage so could still claim an impressive total for the 20 days I had allotted. However was awhile before I got on a bike again…

As well as the physical recovery I had pushed myself so far I simply did not think of cycling as pleasant for awhile (luckily this has passed).

In terms of the physical aspect, had a few painful area’s but the worst thing was numbness … So many hours in the saddle had reduced blood flow to certain key area’s. I had never had this issue before even though have done some pretty extreme distances, but know it can lead to permanent impotence…. Lucky everything is back to normal now, but 2 weeks after the ride was still thinking about going to the doctors… Events where riders used to compete for who could go the furthest in 6 days where very popular, but this was one of the reason for there decline.

I don’t think I noticed this issue for awhile, as numbness is not noticeable especially when you are in pain, but have to admit I pushed on even when was aware of this issue as don’t like to fail a challenge… Can believe I risked permanent impotence…

Could go on about lots of other issues (inc extreme weather..) and area’s on pain, I would get across how bad things where at some points I had never experienced while training, but the fact is everyone has different issues. Yours will be different, until you have done it you cannot image the strains you are putting on your body by keep repeating such extreme days without recovery time. I thought my cycling experience allowed me to judge how hard this was going to be, but I was wrong… The fact you have only just done your first 35 mile bike ride…..

The world record for cycling round the world is 176 days (103 miles per day). I used to struggles to comprehend why this was so slow, whilst there are many factors it should help illustrate how hard it is to complete vast distances day after day…


Although you have 7.5 months in time, most of this is not good time to practice log distance cycling. It’s very hard to put serous hours into long distance cycling over the winter months, I guessing you have pretty good base fitness levels, but what you need to even contemplate such a ride is lots of seriously long rides (and as many back to back long days as possible), every year I promise myself I am going to do more winter miles, every year when the weather get better I realise I have done far less than planned but suddenly find my miles naturally increase massively as weather improves. It’s not just the temperate but rain/ fog/ snow/ hours of daylight that make it so much harder, a run to the shops is fine but 8 hours in the saddle is simply far less pleasant.

Plus you need to start you ride fully recovered, this means starting to taper down you millage about a month in advance (you probably like me thing you don’t need that much recover time, but having felt the difference it makes to be fully recovered…).

Suggest you check out Audax uk (http://www.aukweb.net/), they are the “recognised long-distance cycling association in the UK” if you check there calendar you will see they don’t run many log distance cycle ride over the winter (you have to not think 200km/125mils as long with what you are doing, it’s amazing how your perception of distance changes once you do some serous rides….), but they are a great bunch of very experienced serous long distance cyclist who have allot of experience to share plus entering some scheduled events is a great way to motivate yourself.

It’s amazing what the human body can adapt to, It’s not as hard (although certainly not easy….) as most people think to build to 180 miles in a day if you are highly motivated and gradually increase your distance. However 180 miles a day for 4 days in a row (yet alone 10) is a completely deferent story. The only way to stand a chance is to build up to that kind of distance then start putting in multiple days at those distances (it’s not till at least 3 days of consecutive riding you will realise how hard it’s going to get). Don’t plan on the fact your fitness will improve as the ride goes on, whilst this may be true for people planning on doing 70 miles per day, you will simply be doing to much per day with insufficient recovery time, you body simply cannot recover enough and each day will get harder, trust me on this….

Like I say best of luck, I can see you are serious and have given this allot thought from your website, but would urge you to consider scaling back you target. People won’t thing less of it if you scale it back, average people simply cannot comprehend cycling these types of distances, if you scaled it back it most people would still think of it as an impossible challenge the fact that your current plan is slightly more impossible makes very little difference to how they comprehend it. It feels allot better to exceed a very tricky target that to fail to achieve an almost impossible one….
by Pizza_man
8 Aug 2011, 9:56am
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: 2500 miles LEJOG and back in 20 days
Replies: 8
Views: 1960

Re: 2500 miles LEJOG and back in 20 days

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-14435602 and Drumossie/a9 is exactly where I was....

Cycling thought 1 and 1/2 days of “rain” (read sheet of water), camped as could not find any accommodation, had noting dry with left... decided it was no longer fun....

Caught the train to Edinburgh, and spending 2 nights here to regroup. £20 hostel and festival is on.

This is not going to plan... but good news is body feeling allot better definitely up for more cycling if weather will give me a break...
by Pizza_man
5 Aug 2011, 2:54pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: 2500 miles LEJOG and back in 20 days
Replies: 8
Views: 1960

Re: 2500 miles LEJOG and back in 20 days

Did LEJOG but took 6 days instead of 5 (which I am still VERY happy with). :D

Now on day 2 of 2 rest days before starting return journey. Scaling back plans for doing return journey, doing a slightly over distance “End to End - 7 x 200km Randonneur”. Now instead of doing 2500 miles in 20 days, “just” doing over 2000 miles.

Main problem (in addition to general tiredness) was human bike interface….

Will give better update later, only got 30 min on a PC in library and plenty to do online before set off….

But covering the miles and having fun!
by Pizza_man
26 Jul 2011, 12:31pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: 2500 miles LEJOG and back in 20 days
Replies: 8
Views: 1960

2500 miles LEJOG and back in 20 days

I set off on Friday (29th July) to cycle 2500miles in 20 days.... :D

875m LEJOG in 5 days (viewtopic.php?f=22&t=53356, adjusted slightly, shorter first day)
Then
1625m back to Lands End, via the most Northern, Western, Eastern and Southern points within the UK (Dunnet Head, Corrachadh Mòr, Lowestoft and Lizard Point) + few other places and including a FNRttC (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i2J0 ... Slide6.PNG)


Hotels booked on way "up" and taking camping gear for return trip (post to hotel in Wick),

If anyone wishes to sponsor me (for British Heart Foundation) please visit http://www.justgiving.com/Simon-Reynolds2 (has few more details of ride)

Really looking forward to it, but far from ready....
by Pizza_man
20 Jul 2011, 3:55pm
Forum: Touring & Expedition
Topic: Round The Coast Of Britain
Replies: 24
Views: 9046

Re: Round The Coast Of Britain

May be worth taking a look at Audax UK's "Round the Coast 2260km cycling event" http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/GB03/

If you are not familiar with Audax UK they are "the internationally recognised long distance cycling association in the UK". Have done a number of their routes before, and have been impressed, they are usually designed (and tested) by experienced cyclist and are better than anything I would come up with from a map.....

Cost £3 (extra £2 for non audax members) You probably just what the route but aslo gives you 3rd party insurance for event (but you are probably already covered by CTC) and they would valid your completion of route (thought receipts or GPX logs).

2260km seem short for Round the Coast, so not sure what bits it covers but may be worth a look.
by Pizza_man
14 Jul 2011, 11:59am
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: 5 day LEJOG route (flattest I can find).
Replies: 12
Views: 5036

Re: 5 day LEJOG route (flattest I can find).

Anyone who has followed my exploits will know I like to push myself right to the limit :D ... The fact it is borderline whither I can complete this is excatly what draws me to try. There is no margin for problems, if anything goes wrong I will fail, I can deal with that. Unless the thing that goes wrong is serous will simply readjust my goal and complete in slower time.

I have rode the kind of distance I am panning on the first day (up-to 260 miles in a day) on 5 occasions in the last 8 weeks :D ... Sometimes with little sleep beforehand, setting off at various times between 6pm and 6am. On 3 of those occasions I got up and rode the next day, sometimes on as little as 2 hours sleep...

What surprised me is how well my body dealt with this lack of sleep. Sometimes when things go wrong in the office I work for up-to 18 hours, 5 hours sleep and back in the next day. The next day I feel knackered, and am operating at far below 100% efficiency. However does not seem to effect me so badly when cycling.

Not sure if that because I find cycling relaxing therefore need less sleep or because it's an energetic actively and that activity keeps me feeling awake.... If I tried to do my day job for anything like the number of hours I can comfortable cycle for, it would not be good....

However I am concerned about this ride... 230 miles on 5 hours sleep (sleep well on trains and the journey is 8 hours) does not sound daunting to me, however I choose my events and routes to be as flat as possible (which does not mean they where flat....). Wish the first day only had 1/2 the climbing it does.... What concerns me is starting out with little sleep (although the week before will be very well rested, which does make a difference), then if don't average a decent speed not getting much sleep for the next 4 nights.... I am good at distance, but my speed is not great.... Not sure of what the cumulative affect this will have on me by the end is.....

Thinking of shortening the first 2 days a bit and lengthening day 3, but not sure would help as what ever way I go about this will only have a certain number of hours out of the saddle to sleep...

Have not told you about my route back yet :lol: ... After doing LEJOG plan to have 2 days rest then cycle another 1625 miles :roll: .... Pace will slow down for the 2nd leg "only" intend to average 125 miles a day on leg 2 (will post details of that route soon, but daily distance more flexible as will be carry lightweight camping gear on this part). Whole plan involves riding 2500 miles in 20 days...

Cannot take any more time off work, only way to get full nights sleep before LEJOG is to only have 1 days rest before 2nd leg, but experiences tell me after 1 day rest don't much better, however after 2 days rest feel a massive improvement... 2nd leg is intended to feel more like a holiday, would like to start rested but considering sacrificing 2nd rest day for more sleep before start.... Am going to have a serous look to see if can re-work and come up with better solution...

I know this is extremely ambitious, if I fail, I fail. Perfect capable of readjust plan on the fly depending how things go. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for me. I am at the top of my cycling form at the moment but go in for an operation in September, not affecting health at present but is likely have impact on cycling going forward.

PS. I am only 20 stones :lol: :lol: :lol:
by Pizza_man
13 Jul 2011, 5:39pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: 5 day LEJOG route (flattest I can find).
Replies: 12
Views: 5036

5 day LEJOG route (flattest I can find).

The route is based on http://www.abcc.co.uk/Lynnetaylor/taylore2eroute.html. Need to do 1400km (875 miles) to qualify for http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/WW02/ so have added a few miles just before Inverness. Will be setting off on 29th July. :D

I have come up with the flattest route I can (I am heavy, so hills a challenge :oops: …). Made no attempt to avoid main roads (used to commuting on a nightmare route, inc the worst traffic hot spot in the East Midlands, so this does not worry me…). Using big chain hotels with 24 hour receptions for maximum flexibly.

Day 1 http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=273468 230 miles 2685 m climbing

Lands End to near Gloucester. Set off from Lands end at 0:00 (after having 5 hours sleep on train on way down…). This is the hilliest and longest day, but have 24 hours to tackle it…

Day 2 http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=277964 193 miles 1188 m climbing

To Burton in Kendal. Combined with day 1 means 423 miles in 2 days, far exceeding my current 388 miles record, (but with much earlier start on day 1 (plus did not feel too bad at end or next day)).

Day 3 http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=277980 150 miles 1570 m climbing

To Edinburgh. Experience and research say day 3 can be most difficult, as mileage taking it’s toll but body not yet used to repeating everyday. Slightly cut back the distance on this day.

Day 4 http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=277989 184 miles 1535 m climbing

To Inverness. Deviate slightly from Lynne Taylor's route (http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course. ... rse=273471) in order to add distance to qualify for 1400km event. Added about 36 miles to route (but no extra hills…)

Day 5 http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=277991 121 miles 1311 m climbing

To John O’Groats. Have to finish by 20:40 in order to be successful. So will be shortest day.


Still time for amendments if anyone has any hints or suggestions. (I am trying to make a tough challenge as easy as possible, not bothered about the views…)

Consider shorting day 1 (amending day 2) and adding distance to day 3 to equal out, but like above plan. 230 miles in a day on the flat would not present a challenge to me, but it is hilly....

Will post details of the return leg in due course… :wink:
by Pizza_man
13 Jul 2011, 10:00am
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: 24hour petrol stations on A30
Replies: 6
Views: 2324

Re: 24hour petrol stations on A30

Just realised I can get receipt from Penzance before I start the ride as catching the train to there, going to LE then setting straight off.

Also just found 24 hour Asda in Bodmin (PL31 2AR), that should see me through to Oakham.

If anyone knows of others please still let me know, more options is better...
by Pizza_man
12 Jul 2011, 3:17pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: 24hour petrol stations on A30
Replies: 6
Views: 2324

24hour petrol stations on A30

Will be setting off at midnight (28/29th July) from Lands End, does anyone know if there are many 24 hour petrol stations (or supermarkets) on the A30?

Need to stop at first opportunity to get a receipt (for Audax verification (cash machine will do)), then need to work out how much liquid to carry to last me thought the night.
by Pizza_man
12 Jul 2011, 3:13pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: Crediton to Tiverton (Rob's Passage)
Replies: 28
Views: 11692

Re: Crediton to Tiverton (Rob's Passage)

Take it the A30 is still the flattest way if you don't mind riding along it?
by Pizza_man
7 Jul 2011, 5:33pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: THE MOST EFFICIENT ROUTE
Replies: 21
Views: 1808

Re: THE MOST EFFICIENT ROUTE

£1000 minimum requirement!!! :lol:

When starting training for my first LEJOG, I was over 32 stone :oops: (and carried full camping gear) Believe me this requires a strong bike... My bike cost £750, had no issue, done 1000's mile since and nothing has gone wrong. (due to mile have gone thought few consumable (eg 3rd chain))

A 20 year old Dawes Horizon in good condition would be a great choice of bike for this ride. Even if it's not in great nick, may be worth sorting out.

If your Dawes Horizon was in good condition and reliable would this be the right bike for you?

Is it a comfortable riding position?
How does the range of gears seem to you?
How much do you care about how the bike looks?

Consider what you will be carrying, how fast you will be riding, how many hours a day you will be riding.

Your current bike is a great starting point, If after riding it you cannot think of what to change, then it's a good bike for you. :D
by Pizza_man
7 Jul 2011, 3:47pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: THE MOST EFFICIENT ROUTE
Replies: 21
Views: 1808

Re: THE MOST EFFICIENT ROUTE

Thinking of doing this but what is the minimum requirement bike-wise? Do I need a racing bike, a touring bike, mountain bike or a hybrid?


Yep, any of those will do. Minimum requirement is one that is road legal, will hold together for the distance and you are comfortable on.

Why are you selling your Dawes Horizon, that's not a bad starting point?

Also strange place to post this under a route thread?
by Pizza_man
5 Jul 2011, 11:36am
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: THE MOST EFFICIENT ROUTE
Replies: 21
Views: 1808

Re: THE MOST EFFICIENT ROUTE

Hi,

I am planning on doing route suggest by Mick / http://www.abcc.co.uk/Lynnetaylor/taylore2eroute.html

Have plotted out on BikeRouteToaster the best I can (may not be 100% perfect especially in town centres), you can download GPX/TXC for satnav if you wish.

http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=273468
http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=273469
http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=273470
http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=273471
http://bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=273472

Comes to 1354Km / 846.5 miles, with 8265 metres of climbing (according to BikeRouteToaster which is not accurate on assent figure, but I think fairly consistent and useful for comparing routes/seeing where hills are).

My issue is to qualify for what am doing (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/WW02/) route need to be over 1400km, so need to add at least 45 KM to route. My ideal way to add this distance is to avoid any climbing I can (I am VERY heavy :oops: )

Anyone think of a way to add 50km on good road surfaces? I am not bothered about busy main roads on this ride, it's all about efficiency....
by Pizza_man
4 Jul 2011, 1:08pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: Heaviest LEJOG'er?
Replies: 21
Views: 3779

Re: Heaviest LEJOG'er?

27 stones + full camping gear... :oops:

Not doing the Paris-Brest-Paris this year for a variety of reasons, but plan to do LEJOG in 5 day :shock: (setting off on 30th July). Plan to ride back at a slower pace, longer route covering the most extreme points in UK (north, west, east and south points), 2500 miles in 20 days (inc 3 days off the bike)....

Rode 385 miles this weekend, double coast to coast (Wales and Skegness) :D , wish could carry on riding today insead of sitting in an office. :(

Am still about 20 stones...
by Pizza_man
22 Jun 2011, 3:13pm
Forum: Lands End to John O'Groats
Topic: Ten Weeks to Go
Replies: 8
Views: 1173

Re: Ten Weeks to Go

“I think you are asking a lot of your body to expect it to get fit and lose weight at the same time - the two are antagonistic activities”

I agree to an extent, but asking allot does not mean you cannot do it…. I am not advocating anybody does anything as extreme as I did, but I lost ½ my body weight (over 16 stones) in 6 months :D , at the same time made great fitness gains including over doubling the distance I could comfortably cycle in a day.

I know that allot of the improvement was due to the fact my body had less weight to carry around, but there were other very measurable effects. The weights I could lift at the gym went up significantly. My resting heart rate went down (from 88 to 52bpm). The peak heart rate I could achieve rose significantly and I can now sustain higher heart rates for longer times (ie. I am comfortable working harder for longer). My heart rate also recovers back to normal allot quicker. :D : (I am very scientific about my training…) :roll:

I stress again do not try this at home.... if you think the suggestion I made here sound extreme, you have no idea about the lengths I will go too.....

The reason it can be antagonistic is due to the fact as you cut back on calories you cut back on what you body needs to improve, your body can even start eating it’s own muscle to feed it’s self if it’s not being given what it needs.

A typical person eating a balanced diet does not need any supplements, however I firmly believe that a person restricting there intake and training hard can benefit from certain things. I listed the most relevant for this person here, I sometimes use others during or after training if I am restricting my intake.

To quote meic form a different tread on a different topic…..
“In my mind taking GS is more comparable to eating limes when stuck on a poor diet, not needed in normal conditions but where you are not getting enough……..”


I find it hard to question the benefits of something like http://www.usn.co.uk/product/Protein-Sh ... F-1-1kg/32 to someone on a restricted diet who is training hard. Athlete’s take similar (but higher ratio of carbs) supplements because even with a plentiful and balanced diet (often designed by professional sports dieticians) they struggle to ensure they get everything they need to help there muscles recover when training hard, what chance does a person on a restricted diet stand? The "Milkshakes seem very popular" that people take after training will have something like this in them more often that not.....

CLA is more questionable, certainly not needed for average Joe, but at the end of the day, it will not do any harm and there are scientific explanations as to why it could be of benefit as well as numerous studies that show it can have positive effect (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugated_linoleic_acid )

“Thirty five intervention studies have been conducted using CLA in humans to investigate the effects of CLA on weight management. These studies, which vary widely in CLA dose and duration, show that the most significant effect of CLA on weight management is on body composition, a reduction in total body fat and an increase in lean body mass.”

I don’t always take studies/wikipedia at face value, half my degree was in statistics (including Epidemiology), but what I have read about CLA means I believe it’s worth taking if trying to lose weight and increase muscle mass.

I have similar view on carb loading, total unnecessary, but why not? I like every benefit I can :D , the depletion method of carb loading allows me to start an event well fuelled without extra weight. The depletion method causes your muscles to super-compensation and store up to 90% more glycogen (figure could be debated, but logic holds) than normal. This super-compensation state last for many days (especially if you are using your glycogen each day and refuelling with plenty of carbs) In my informal experiments this leads to an improvements in my long distance cycling even thought I consume energy drinks and food while riding AND stop for regular refuelling stops.

“Hold back on short sharp interval training to start with - that is a really easy way to overtrain. It is good for building speed, but what you want is endurance.”


Should stress, I don’t advocate anyone not used to it goes straight into a programme that pushes there limits to hard to fast in anyway but would like to hear why you believe that short shape intervals are more likely to lead to over training than repeated long distance cycling (especially when combined with resistance work)…

Trying to gain significant improvements in a short space of time can lead to overtraining, The biggest improvements are made when you push your limits then allow recovery time. As far as I now it does not matter whither you push yourself with miles in the saddle or other methods if you don’t give yourself time to recover your performance will go backward not forwards.

As I said “don't go mad, the improvements take place while resting between the sessions.... ”

Also not sure way you believe that interval training leads only to speed and does not help endurance? Suggest you do a search for “interval training endurance” on Google… If you increase you limits, then cycle at slower speed, you are cycling further below your limit therefore can go further, easier….

At present I am designing spin programs for a virtual spinning app I am working on for mobile phones. Believe me this is something I have spent a great deal of time researching and have worked with a number of highly qualified, experienced and successful coaches.

One of the things the “virtual spinning app” does is optimise programmes to individual requirements. You say how long you what to work out for and what your primary goal is (weight loss, speed, strength, endurance (or a recovery session)), the software will then guide you thought a custom session using both onscreen guides and a real spin instructor voice (combined with your own music).

Will point out (and will be mentioned within the app) that whichever program you select you will be working on all areas, the basic push you self hard then allow recovery is the fundamental, the differences between the programmes will not lead to wildly different results, just slight optimization.

You can see a bit of my virtual spinning app about 54 sec’s in on the video emended at http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/nottingham/ ... 357514.stm

Once again, this is all over the top for a person who just wants to complete LEJOG but was tomp734444 who said how much weight he wanted to lose and how much training he planned to do, I was just giving advise based on my experience of how it could be achieved (while at the same time pointing out the weight lose was not necessary and all that was really required was time in the saddle).

Not sure how my advise on first post would have differed if I knew age and current weight. I know cyclist in there 70’s and 80’s who are great at endurance cycling, but the body does take longer to recover. To me 87kg does not seem very heavy, (but don’t know height yet alone fat percentage) or his motivation for ride.

The first time I cycled LEJOG my motivating factor was to lose weight (ie. I was doing LEJOG to lose weight NOT losing weight in order to be able to do the ride) People telling me to concentre on fitness not weight loss did not understand my motivation. (I am not saying the same is or should be true for tomp734444).

Sorry, did not mean to write such a long post…. Just because I believe my post was extreme and unnecessary, does not mean I believe it to be incorrect….