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Andyrew K

The case has now passed to the CPS. It'll be interesting to see what charges, if any, they bring: http://bbc.in/14BhByX

Andyrew K

Si wrote:Which bit in that pic is cycle path: I'd assumed that it was the totally empty bit in front of the parked cars...but that doesn't look shared use, so does the cycle path go onto the pavement with all the walkers where the parked cars start? Or is that empty bit not cycle path at all?

It's here. In between the parked cars and the pavement.

This is not the area where the collision happened, that happened under the pier on a 'shared' pavement, which you can see here.

Here's a video of the choice cyclists have when reaching the end of the path in the photo (they would be traveling towards the camera).

Andyrew K

Vorpal wrote:
Vorpal wrote:There is far too much traffic of all sorts on this route for very many designs to be effective.

Is obvious in the picture in the link

Before the new cycle paths and 'shared' space, traffic mingled safely along the seafront. The road in the picture you reference had a cycle path marked on both sides of the road. The road was wider, there was no cyclist/pedestrian conflict because cyclists were the same level as and in the road, there was no dangerous positioning of the cycle path between parked cars and pavement, and there was no contraflow problem when approaching the pier as cyclists were on the correct side of the road.

Andyrew K

An update to this, the cyclist involved has contacted the police voluntarily. http://bit.ly/18aPUlX

Andyrew K

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:If cyclists are car drivers pet hate, adding cycle lanes, lines us up for even more abuse as they now think that if one exists we should use it primery

It isn't just people in cars who think that. This motorcyclist thought it was a good idea to harass and abuse a cyclist for using the road: http://youtu.be/a6sOPE2C-og

Andyrew K

I don't mind dogs on shared paths, I can generally see dogs and adjust my speed accordingly. It's the invisible tripwires so often connecting dog to owner that I despise.

Andyrew K

thirdcrank wrote:
In my earlier post I think I mentioned confusion about continuous while lines along the carriageway. Diagram 1012 in its various variants is the patter for continuous white lines marking the edge of the carriageway etc. This is why some drivers (and apparently even some police believe that cyclists are confined by regulations to the left of the "edge of carriageway" marking.

In my experience many drivers think a continuous white line means the other side of it is free parking...

Andyrew K

Vorpal wrote:The borough council in Southend-on-sea were informed during 'consultations' that the design was likely to lead to conflict

My understanding is that cycling groups in Southend were not 'consulted' until after the scheme was built.

Andyrew K

gaz wrote:This isn't the first time Southend's scheme has been highlighted for collisions.

http://road.cc/content/news/75569-teena ... t-southend

You're right, it isn't:

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9264363 ... red_space/

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9178252 ... _seafront/

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/1040599 ... _crossing/

Andyrew K

Here are photos of the shared path signs where the incident happened. If you look at the pavement you can see it has been widened to accommodate the shared use. Even so I always ride in the road here.

Andyrew K

Pugwash wrote:
Andyrew K wrote:
Pugwash wrote:it is an appalling location for a cycle path being just behind the beach, not a suitable location.

The problem is the road is blocked with cars going very slowly because of speed humps to prevent racing along the sea front, this combined with many people crossing the road between the bars / amusements and the beach or peter pan's playground. Many of whom are more than a little worse for wear.

The problem Southend has is the road infrastructure is designed for cars rather than other road users, i.e dual carriageways and big roundabouts, the answer of course is slowing the traffic down, lots more bus lanes and a park and ride near the airport in order to reduce traffic, local councils however are not very progressive. I can't see obesity levels going down any time soon.

The road layout between the Kursaal and the pier has changed. The speed humps have gone - as has the dualed road by the arcades - these have been replaced with a two-way road with a 20mph limit. The rest of the seafront promenade has been enlarged and designated 'shared space'.

How has this affected traffic speeds ? - easier or more difficult by bike ?

The traffic is easier as the area is 'policed' by average speed cameras, but incidents of dodgy overtakes by drivers desperate to reach the red lights at each end of the seafront have increased. For example: http://youtu.be/m87X02TGviM

Andyrew K

Pugwash wrote:it is an appalling location for a cycle path being just behind the beach, not a suitable location.

The problem is the road is blocked with cars going very slowly because of speed humps to prevent racing along the sea front, this combined with many people crossing the road between the bars / amusements and the beach or peter pan's playground. Many of whom are more than a little worse for wear.

The problem Southend has is the road infrastructure is designed for cars rather than other road users, i.e dual carriageways and big roundabouts, the answer of course is slowing the traffic down, lots more bus lanes and a park and ride near the airport in order to reduce traffic, local councils however are not very progressive. I can't see obesity levels going down any time soon.

The road layout between the Kursaal and the pier has changed. The speed humps have gone - as has the dualed road by the arcades - these have been replaced with a two-way road with a 20mph limit. The rest of the seafront promenade has been enlarged and designated 'shared space'.

Andyrew K

Echo wrote:A COUNCILLOR has called for cycling to be banned on Southend seafront after a cyclist broke a pedestrian’s hip.

This is a knee-jerk reaction to a collision between a cyclist and a pedestrian on a signed shared use path. In the same area there have been several collisions between motor vehicles and pedestrians yet no calls for a ban on driving on the seafront. Yes it looks like the cyclist may have been riding too quickly for a shared use path, and yes they should have stopped instead of just riding off, but the councillor's assertion that this area has no cycle path and that the cyclist should have dismounted is incorrect.

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/1048176 ... _seafront/

Here is a video showing the bridge beneath which the incident happened. Read the description below the video on YouTube for links to photographs showing the locations of shared path signs:

http://bit.ly/16GwTVc

Andyrew K

kwackers wrote:
We represent a group using the roads for free and they hate us for it.

I don't consider cycling on the road free. I pay car tax so I figure when I'm using my bike instead of the car I have paid my bit.

Andyrew K

Ok. I spoke to Villiers Velo today, he was immensely helpful, taking the time to measure a TSR while I was on the phone to him. He was very informative, knew exactly what he was talking about and gave me all the information I required.

I have decided to buy a TSR 27 and will in all likelihood by it from VV, given the level of help.

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