pwa wrote:I'm basing my "demands" on common sense. I agree that vaccines will be one tool among several, alongside hygiene etc.
Excellent
But "at best the vaccine is 90% effective"! Where did you get that figure from? Early results are 93% for the first vaccine and 95% for the vaccine announced today, which compares to an average of about 50% for flu vaccines apparently. So very good.
Pfizer's figures for their own vaccine. It was the efficacy at 28 days after the second booster dose. They make no claims at all about the efficacy is a week, a month, 6 months or a year later or when a booster is required.
Pfizer also state that the results may vary outside the laboratory.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-relea ... te-againstAnd I don't deny anyone their religious or human rights. I suggested staff unable to take the vaccine be assigned to other duties, not sacked.
You are unequivocally denying their rights by restricting their practice. You also don't factor in the number that will not react to te vaccine
Though who these individuals are and how they got into medicine I don't know, as there are animal products in all sorts of stuff they routinely inject into patients. I simply want patients to be given the level of protection from infection that it is practical to give them. Are you picturing wards run by Jehovah's Witnesses?
Nope by normal people who have normal rights... insulting people does not change that. Of course we could ask why staff should be put at risk by unvaccinated patients, and why testing should not be made compulsory before those patients infect otehrs.
And as you think having had the virus once means you can never catch it and pass it on again, you need to do some more research because that is wrong.
I don't. That is made obvious by the trial in which I am participating. We still wear full PPE, and take all the some precautions as any other HCP
That is the point I have been making, there is at this time no proven immunity, I and other colleagues have antibodies at 8 months, a colleague lost theirs at three months. Antibody life is uncertain, and due to that we don't know whether the vaccine is effective for a week, a month, 6 months or a year. There is no proof as yet that any of the vaccines prevent infection on a short or long term basis.
It s a brave new world, and one where the uncertainty of the vaccines means that it is dangerous to hype them at such an early stage.