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fredkite wrote:Do, do try on whatever helmet you think may be for you. If a Giro helmet has fitted you well so far, it may be you have a 'Giro-shaped-head. Not as crazy as it might seem. My head is definately 'Bell-shaped'. No other make seems anywhere as good a fit.)
It is a Mad, Mad, world. At least the one I inhabit is).

Good bit of advice this,I've tried different helmets Giro just doesn't fit my head at all.

Not wanting to spark a (looks both ways first) Helmet Thread but one would think a £100 helmet at least would look£70 better than a £30 one,based on this observation they don't , so I buy the £30 variety

I think I have a pair of canti specific levers (Saccon I think) in my spares box that you can have, if you're interested PM me and I'll send them.

I've always used Met and found they fit me great,my current one is a Sfero(now renamed Mythos),ventilation is very good in all but the hottest of weather.

As I recall there was the Bulgarian chap who testified to seeing Mr Shields elsewhere at the time of the murder.

NUKe wrote:

reohn2 wrote:

meic wrote:
A good friend of mine, who is very fit and healthy, thinks that "imposing" a vegetarian diet on the children is almost child abuse.

Your friend is a pillock!

Thats abusive and not the sort of language for a forum like this..

Sorry if I've upset you Nuke,but the definition of Pillock in the dictionary is "stupid person"and thats what I meant,unless of course you're Norwegian in which case it means something entirely different.

meic wrote:Reohn

One of the conditions of collecting the "dole" is that you do NOT do any work paid or UNPAID.
Some sections of society do take their dole money and devote their time to "bettering society" normally in direct opposition to government policy.
These people can be found at demos of all sort making an EFFECTIVE contribution to single issue politics. They are often doing the same work as and alongside paid employees of Greenpeace etc. It is quite hard to tell the workshy dole scrounger from the hard working tax-payer on these occasions.
Why is it considered so important for people to go out and contribute to provide more for consumers to consume, when we should be cutting back on our production and consumption.
Logically speaking every person staying out of the workforce should be given a medal for public service.

When people work they have an aim, even if that aim is only a small one.
I didn't mention consumerism,but ultimately we are all consumers as we have to eat (consume) to live.The need for people to contribute is to help one another,National insurance? National Health? the road of no work is ultimately starvation, unless someone else is paying for your food.
If we take it back to the hunter gatherer situation,if you didn't hunt and gather(work) you starved,ok things are a little more complex nowadays so we created a society wherebye if you were unable to work(illness,handicap,etc)there was a safety net (Nat Ins system),unfortunately there are those who don't want to contribute, just take.
Take this to its logical conclusion and if more people don't work than do, we all starve,though thats strickly wrong what happens is survival of the fittest/most aggresive/most devious/etc,dog eat dog society.
I will agree consumerism is out of hand, was it ever thus,its just that more people are able to consume more (due to higher income,even none workers)the key word is restraint(don't eat more than we need)unfortunately greed has been heralded as the way forward by the ones who make the things to be consumed,the consumers(most of them at least) think this is good to a greater or lesser extent,the problems begin when the consumers can't afford it.

No need for me to go on, you know all this.

Your last sentence,is a joke right? if not, please explain utopia for me as I can't quite catch the vision.
PS who'll make all the medals

meic wrote:Reohn said

"You're right I haven't been bought up in a household where everyone lived on benefits,thats because if my father and mother hadn't worked we wouldn't have eaten.I find it staggering that people on benefits have more money in their pockets (in real terms) than my family had when my father and mother worked to support us.
There is something fundementally wrong with that."

I agree there WAS something fundamentally wrong with the way your parents were taken as work slaves by the likes of Mr Churchill and thank god the price the people exacted from him for fighting his war was a little bit less exploitation.

You may have noticed that Mr Churchill was not a healthy eater as he never shared poverty or rationing with the people. Not much criticism of his unhealthy habits though.

You'll find no love for Mr Churchhill or his understudy Mrs Thatcher from me Meic. Churchill wasn't a minute at sending in the troops to sort out the '26 general strikers,Thatcher would have done the same given the chance.Both [rude word removed] (in the truest sense of the word).
The point I was making was that despite (not because of it)the housing and low income of my parents I could still think,and not believe everthing I was told by either my parents or the media.People today can do the same thing "if" they wish but to many "choose" not to then blaim everyone else for their mistakes(I accecpt I'm over simplyfing things but thats generally the picture)The least line of resistance (benefits) is an easy option needing no thinking, my parents didn't have that luxury but if they had I'd have been poorer for it.
We now have a couple of generations of people who care nought for others or themselves,and work is a four letter word to them.
Food is free so they get fat,then later in life they get ill as a result and become more of a burden.I quite agree that it isn't just the poor(reletive term) but at least the rich have paid their taxes
Its perhaps time the capitalist system realised that work isn't just for extracting monetary profit from people and realised it has other benefits.

meic wrote:
A good friend of mine, who is very fit and healthy, thinks that "imposing" a vegetarian diet on the children is almost child abuse.

Your friend is a pillock!

MrsPeel wrote:The bike fitting service from Paul Hewitt gets a good writeup on this forum. Does anyone know if there is any similar thing somewhere in the Edinburgh/Glasgow area?

I think in the long term I might get a made-to measure frame. In the mean time I am trying to work out what I would want if I were to buy a new frame, and I am trying to find some set-up I can live with on my Thorn Sherpa.

Thanks,
H

If your saddle,pedals,h/bars are all in the right place which can be achieved by the right seatpost,cranks,h/bar stem,h/bars,theres no need (for the vast majority of people)for a made to measure frame.
May I ask what is the problem with the fit of your Sherpa that you feel you have to "live with it".

kwackers wrote:

chris667 wrote:You cannot possibly comment on how other people live their lives, or assume that if you had their upbringing you'd be living any differently. Had you been brought up in a family where everyone had always lived on benefits and no one ever read books or went on the internet, you'd be suprised how limited you percieved your options to be.
The problem isn't just that we lack self-respect. It's also that we lack respect for each other.

The lack of respect has nothing to do with background or class, it's endemic throughout our society.

Self respect requires that we understand our own part in changing our future. By blaming other people for our misfortunes we place ourselves in a position of being powerless and that dents our self-respect, it's only by accepting that we are responsible for ourselves and the people around us that we can regain self respect and the respect of others.

Amazing how a well educated chap can put his point across

Well said Kwackers.

hubgearfreak wrote:R2, i think if you've a tin bath and an outside toilet, then we'd take the lack of central heating as a given

i agree with what both R2 & chris are saying
it's good to see such a wide spectrum of opinion, and see it so politely debated. keep up the good work, chaps

Its also good to have central heating,even though we don't have it switched on at the moment due to a real summer like wen a wur 'o lad,them wer proper summers them wer.

chris667 wrote:

reohn2 wrote:Spot on.
Everyone expects someone else to do it for them, lazy is the right word for it.
I am sick to the back teeth of hearing the same old same "I didn't know" "its not my fault"Kwackers is right, if you're interested enough you'll go and find out,the problem is there are so many who want someone else to take the blaim for their actions. I, quite frankly despair at the state of the health of the nation,next time anyone is in a town centre look around at the people on the street then take a look at people in most other Europian countries.
The fact is we as a nation have very little self respect.Its always someone elses fault.As for thinking "oh that hurts far to much, better leave that for someone else to do"
As for people complaining about the cost of food,good food is cheaper now than its ever been.
Here endeth the rant

You cannot possibly comment on how other people live their lives, or assume that if you had their upbringing you'd be living any differently. Had you been brought up in a family where everyone had always lived on benefits and no one ever read books or went on the internet, you'd be suprised how limited you percieved your options to be.
The problem isn't just that we lack self-respect. It's also that we lack respect for each other.

I agree that we lack respect for each other.
We live in problably the most advanced(technically that is)age ever known with more knowledge at our finger tips than any previous generation.
You're right I haven't been bought up in a household where everyone lived on benefits,thats because if my father and mother hadn't worked we wouldn't have eaten.I find it staggering that people on benefits have more money in their pockets (in real terms) than my family had when my father and mother worked to support us.
There is something fundementally wrong with that.
There is also something fundementally wrong with the differential income between working and benefits to be so slim that for some its not worth working.
That no reason to blaim everyone else.
Just a word on my upbringing,the family consisted of Dad (miner),Mum(home help),my sister(factory worker),brother(various work) and me( when was born my other brother and sister lived at home),we lived in a two up two down, outside toilet,tin bath in the kitchen,no central heating ,hot water via the geyser(as it was known)on the wall in the kitchen,stone flagged floors covered in lino.The UK is full of people with a similar upbrinding of a similar age and older than me.
I'm not that well educated but I do have a mind and a brain.
I'll grant you that work was more readily available then.

braz wrote:"I think, therefore I am" Someone important said that. Or was it the other way round?

I'm not him (or her) anyway, I'm me.

And I can prove it. I've got a sustificate.

regards to all, Braz.

I therefore think I am.......I think

kwackers wrote:

chris667 wrote:Kwackers, I agree with most of what you're saying, but I think it's unfair and misguided to call people that are just doing what they've always done lazy.
The fact is, IMO some people really don't know what options are available to them, and looking at pretty much everything in the media about weight loss, they'll never change.
Ultimately, I don't think it's possible meaningfully change what you do without external influence, the best you can manage is to rearrange the thoughts that are already inside your head. If all you're exposed to is advice to buy "low fat" packaged meals in supermarkets and get excercise by driving to the gym, that is what you'll do.
We all stand on the shoulders of giants to be who we are today, and anyone who doesn't think so is taking a lot for granted.

Here are the scenerios:-
I care about what I eat but just buy what is marked 'healthy'
I care and check myself to see what is actually good.
I don't care.

If you genuinely care, you'll check. If you expect the food companies to tell you what's healthy you're lazy.

People don't buy bicycles, cars, holidays etc without some research - why would you expect anyone who genuinely cares to do the same with food?

Who's to decide what's healthy and what isn't anyway? As I said healthy eating is a question of quantity as well as type.

We live in a society where nothing is really our fault, the blame always lies elsewhere. TBH it cheeses me off - whether it be food, running over cyclists, drinking too much or whatever. YOU are responsible, stop and think. If I can do it so can you.

Spot on.
Everyone expects someone else to do it for them, lazy is the right word for it.
I am sick to the back teeth of hearing the same old same "I didn't know" "its not my fault"Kwackers is right, if you're interested enough you'll go and find out,the problem is there are so many who want someone else to take the blaim for their actions. I, quite frankly despair at the state of the health of the nation,next time anyone is in a town centre look around at the people on the street then take a look at people in most other Europian countries.
The fact is we as a nation have very little self respect.Its always someone elses fault.As for thinking "oh that hurts far to much, better leave that for someone else to do"
What does bother me is the burden these people will become on the health system in later life.
The Chinese have saying "disease comes through the mouth"
As for people complaining about the cost of food,good food is cheaper now than its ever been.
Here endeth the rant

unbelievable!
Discuss?