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by 531colin
4 Jan 2025, 10:54pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: PSI reccomendation question.
Replies: 28
Views: 6218

Re: PSI reccomendation question.

Does anybody know what the manufacturers’ pressure ranges are based on?
Current ideas of pressures for rider (etc) weight seem to be lower than the manufacturers?
by 531colin
4 Jan 2025, 10:44pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause
Replies: 43
Views: 4963

Re: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause

cycle tramp wrote: 4 Jan 2025, 10:31pm
NickJP wrote: 4 Jan 2025, 9:22pm
slowster wrote: 4 Jan 2025, 10:12am What is it like to ride unloaded?
Very nice.
PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg
Rivendell frame?
Very interesting frame; I’m guessing slack seat tube angle, steep head angle, short fork offset……. got the numbers?
And as said, really long chain stays
by 531colin
4 Jan 2025, 10:30pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Frame failure: should I get a longer seatpost?
Replies: 10
Views: 1602

Re: Frame failure: should I get a longer seatpost?

Very much worth getting a seatpost with the least possible wobble (front to back).
The longer the post, the less wobble for the same fit.
The better the fit, the less wobble….thats the fit at the bottom…as in the previous thread, the fit can be made tighter (front to back) by ovalising the bottom of the post, by a careful squeeze in a vise.
by 531colin
3 Jan 2025, 7:55am
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause
Replies: 43
Views: 4963

Re: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause

Just thinking about that picture showing a rusty bit of steel underneath where a bit of tube and fillet braze is missing;
Is the top tube bigger diameter than the seat tube, so the seat tube passes through the top tube and the rusty steel we can see is the seat tube?
by 531colin
2 Jan 2025, 7:38pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause
Replies: 43
Views: 4963

Re: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause

Seatpost needs a circular hole, not helical reinforcement !
by 531colin
2 Jan 2025, 7:33pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: ....if inner tubes have a maximum shelf life?
Replies: 9
Views: 4259

Re: ....if inner tubes have a maximum shelf life?

10 year old tubes will be synthetic “butyl”; unless you bought expensive “latex” (ie rubber) tubes.
…. I’m still using some marked 27x11/4 inch!
by 531colin
2 Jan 2025, 5:54pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause
Replies: 43
Views: 4963

Re: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause

It can't possibly be sleeved, can it?
29.0 - 27.2 = 1.8mm......0.9mm wall thickness!!
(if its actually 28.6mm OD thats 0.7mm wall)
These days a lot of cromo seat tubes are 1.8mm thickness at the top, externally butted.....admittedly for welding rather than brazing, but even so, less than 1mm wall with a yard of seatpost is a big ask!

The new picture shows a clean underside to the top tube....must be a trick of the light in the earlier photo.....very disturbing!
by 531colin
2 Jan 2025, 5:11pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause
Replies: 43
Views: 4963

Re: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause

roubaixtuesday wrote: 2 Jan 2025, 4:38pm
531colin wrote: 2 Jan 2025, 4:16pm There’s a “gusset” of sorts under the top tube, looks like more of a gesture than a structure.
There's no gusset, it's just the way the fillet braze shows in the photo.
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I'm not tech. savvy, I can't draw on your photos.........
In your images 2 and 3, both in front and behind the seat tube on the underside of the top tube there is a definite line which is straight for most of its length until it curves matching the shape of the fillet braze.
What is it?

Subsidiary question; in image 3, there is a bit of tube/fillet braze broken away. Underneath this is a bit of rusty steel. It looks to me like the seat tube has been sleeved internally to reduce it down to take a particular size seatpost. Its difficult to do this really well, so that the seatpost is a close fit in the seat tube all the way down past the top tube.
What is the seatpost size and the seat tube outside diameter?
by 531colin
2 Jan 2025, 4:16pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause
Replies: 43
Views: 4963

Re: Frame failure: Idle speculation on root cause

Nearholmer wrote: 2 Jan 2025, 3:05pm….,……,,

I’m also thinking that if the seat post went way down into the seat tube, and was a snug fit, there would have been little “working” of that upstanding bit of the seat tube, so I’m adding it didn’t/wasnt.
^^^^*^this!
Seat post needed to be a good fit in the seat tube, way down past the top tube.
There’s a “gusset” of sorts under the top tube, looks like more of a gesture than a structure.
I think I’ve seen frames that have a seat tube “mast” like that having an additional bracket in the angle between top tube and seat tube mast.

In OPs middle picture, it even looks like the “mast” is angled back relative to the seat tube further down
by 531colin
1 Jan 2025, 5:14pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: The "weakest link"?
Replies: 36
Views: 3904

Re: The "weakest link"?

Sweep wrote: 27 Dec 2024, 7:44pm Do "magic links" or whatever they are called (various systems of course) tend to wear faster than a chain's main links?

Reason I ask is I pretty religiously check train wear with a tool (yes I know you are supposed to use a steel rule and a set of log tables but I'm not up to it) and often find that while the vast vast majority of the chain is fine and dandy any measurement taken across a span of chain including the link is not.

Being a mean git I am tempted to keep using the chain but usually give in and replace it.

Because of this "rogue" measurement.

So are links made of cheese or is something else going on?

Have tended to use SRAM but more latterly KMC.
A reading taken with a new quicklink would be interesting.
by 531colin
1 Jan 2025, 4:57pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: The "weakest link"?
Replies: 36
Views: 3904

Re: The "weakest link"?

Cyclothesist wrote: 1 Jan 2025, 3:48pm
jb wrote: 1 Jan 2025, 2:37pm There is no reason for the joining link to wear any faster than the rest of the chain, the parts that rub against each other are the same. It probably could not take the same load but it's working load will be higher than needed anyway.
For KMC: The joining pins in the QL are different to the main chain pins; they have a groove where the side plates click in so the pin is both narrowerer at the wear point, plus the plates are thinner than other side plates in the chain at the pin slot so the wear load is more concentrated at that point of articulation. Maybe a different steel alloy from other links is used in the QL sideplates and pins? A few unknowns.
The "normal" chain wear is the inner link plates pivoting on the rivet. Normal (fixed?) links won't have any wear between the outer link plates and the rivets, because there is no movement, so any wear at all between the 2 halves of a quick link is an additional bit of wear.
by 531colin
31 Dec 2024, 5:28pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Fork. rotating too easily
Replies: 115
Views: 15285

Re: Fork. rotating too easily

SPA tourer 71 degrees and 54mm offset, from memory.
Not in the short trail/needs a front load territory!
by 531colin
31 Dec 2024, 4:57pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Does reach on drop bars change handling?
Replies: 49
Views: 8990

Re: Does reach on drop bars change handling?

Brucey wrote: 25 Dec 2024, 7:47pm
andrew_s wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 6:30pm...To demonstrate, try riding with your hands making fists resting on the rear side of the bar, so you can only push on the bars, not pull, and you'll find that you ride entirely normally.
Then try turning left into a side road with one hand off the bars. What you'll find is that you can make the turn quite easily with your left hand on the bars, but that if you try to use the right fist while signalling left, you'll have to unclench your fist so you can pull on the bars.....
FWW think this is correct. but subtly different to what might really happen. I don't think it is at all commonplace to ride in a perfectly straight line. More usually the bike leans slightly from side to side eg. in time with the pedalling action. each weave/perturbation being counteracted by the steering's natural self-centreing tendency. Thus when you ride through a puddle on a drying road two distinct tyre marks are usually left, both weaving slightly, with the one from the front wheel weaving a little more than the rear. It is my belief/understanding that countersteering commonly arises as a result of attempts made to block this (natural) weaving motion. Both countersteering explanations require that you push slightly on the same side of the handlebar, but the second explanation also tallies well with both the observation that the turn is not usually initiated by a positive action of any kind and that some bikes are readier to turn than others, presumably as a result of having larger perturbations.
I’m having trouble with this.
Do you mean the caster effect of the front wheel auto-corrects the weave?
Can the caster effect produce enough force to move the steering if the riders hands are on the bars?
Presumably the force is tyre drag, acting through the lever of trail? A small force and a short lever?

Surely the corrections are made be the rider?
by 531colin
31 Dec 2024, 4:53pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Drop bar Tern Joe?
Replies: 7
Views: 4397

Re: Drop bar Tern Joe?

Bullbars with the existing shifters and brake levers?
by 531colin
31 Dec 2024, 3:45pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Fork. rotating too easily
Replies: 115
Views: 15285

Re: Fork. rotating too easily

I think he means it’s a handling issue; when riding the steering is twitchy, with constant corrections; which makes me think trail could be reduced.
But it’s all very confusing