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by John Catt
18 Jan 2011, 1:27pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: Result in
Replies: 50
Views: 152636

Re: Result in

At present the Trust requires a substantial 'balancing payment' (as the formerly named 'subvention' is now known) in order to balance its books. This in addition to the payments made by the Club to the Trust for services provided by the Trust on behalf of the Club. Last year the balancing payment w...
by John Catt
10 Jan 2011, 10:51pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: Incorrect Ballot Papers
Replies: 86
Views: 160165

Re: Incorrect Ballot Papers

So of the membership of 64,000 we have had 34 genuine errors. This forum seems to have been very disproportionately affected. Not sure that it is that disproportionately affected. According to the stats at be bottom of the opening page there are 13,965 members of the forum. This thread has had 77 p...
by John Catt
3 Dec 2010, 9:55pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: Query
Replies: 20
Views: 144174

Re: Query

Hi Jabbs, This is my first pitch at the debate so I might be missing something. Does the CTC mean to put itself into the same bracket as Age Concern or Oxfam? My take on Charities is that they exist for the benefit of disadvantaged groups such as the sick or needy, not fit outdoor types like us or t...
by John Catt
1 Dec 2010, 6:39pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.
Replies: 271
Views: 46690

Re: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.

I'll attempt to deal with Simon L6's request and link it to Jonty's query as I think to some degree they relate. Simon Connell has already addressed most of these but I have a slightly different (& possibly erroneous :-)) perspective. There are other issues that certainly need to be addressed, b...
by John Catt
1 Dec 2010, 8:40am
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.
Replies: 271
Views: 46690

Re: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.

Hi John, 4. Regain the spirit of the club. Provide better member service so that the club is attractive to a yet wider membership. More of an emphasis on local engagement. Stop performing commercial services just because they boost the club's size or status. Continue to lobby on cycling issues, with...
by John Catt
30 Nov 2010, 6:10pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.
Replies: 271
Views: 46690

Re: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.

.... Consider this... third party insurance costs about £3.50 a member the legal advice line can be had for free the rides leaders insurance costs next to nothing the mag costs just over £2 a member campaigning costs about £3.50 a member the administration of the membership service costs about £4.5...
by John Catt
30 Nov 2010, 9:16am
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.
Replies: 271
Views: 46690

Re: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.

Hi Jonty, Thanks for responding, think I need to try and make sure that we understand the position (and that said I can be wrong so I hope other contributors will point out where this is so). Basically what happens is that the Club provides grants to the Trust to undertake services on its behalf but...
by John Catt
30 Nov 2010, 8:39am
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: Vote still to come?
Replies: 39
Views: 145595

Re: Vote still to come?

As the skinflint Concillor who suggested that members pay their own postage on this poll, it is because it doesn't make any difference and ERS costs money. ........Read the submission form from the proposer and the unedited submission to Cycle and judge what you think it is about. At best this is a...
by John Catt
30 Nov 2010, 8:26am
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: Vote still to come?
Replies: 39
Views: 145595

Re: Vote still to come?

Do some councillors have to stand for re-election before then, by any chance? We had elections this summer after the AGM. If I recall correctly 3 were elected unopposed and of those where there was competition both the incumbents were re-elected. SavetheCTC are very good at being the "Loyal Op...
by John Catt
29 Nov 2010, 11:36pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: Vote still to come?
Replies: 39
Views: 145595

Re: Vote still to come?

[quote="Regulator"} John Go and read the Mem & Arts. You clearly don't understand the Article 36 procedure. [/quote] 36.A poll of the whole Club shall be taken if either one third of the members of the Council or 200 members of the Club shall within three months of the passing of a res...
by John Catt
29 Nov 2010, 11:16pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: Vote still to come?
Replies: 39
Views: 145595

Re: Vote still to come?

Any clue as to why this vote is not being done via Electoral Reform as per first time? So I'll ask again.... WHY the lack of independent scrutiny of the forthcoming vote? As the skinflint Concillor who suggested that members pay their own postage on this poll, it is because it doesn't make any diff...
by John Catt
29 Nov 2010, 11:04pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: My Opinion
Replies: 39
Views: 148882

Re: My Opinion

......the second big question is where is the money going? And that's not easy to answer because historically the CTC didn't properly account for staff time, which is where the bulk of the cash goes. Suffice to say that some of us, having seen what passes for 'the books' don't have any confidence i...
by John Catt
29 Nov 2010, 10:53pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.
Replies: 271
Views: 46690

Re: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.

John - thankyou. I think you've set out the case for keeping the Trust at arms length in one handy sentence. And your dismissing the Trust coming to the members for a quarter of a million quid as a thing of no importance.... I'm not saying the a quarter of a million is of no importance, but I regar...
by John Catt
29 Nov 2010, 9:23pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.
Replies: 271
Views: 46690

Re: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.

Hi Jonty, Can I ask if the loan from the Club to the Trust is at a commercial rate of interest why did the Trust not obtain a loan from a bank also at a commercial rate of interest? Quite simply Banks borrow at low rates and lend at high. If the Trust borrowed at Commercial Rates, say 5%, the Club w...
by John Catt
29 Nov 2010, 8:38pm
Forum: CTC Charity Debate
Topic: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.
Replies: 271
Views: 46690

Re: The proposals, benefits, drawbacks etc.

Hi Simon L6, the word on the street is that the Trust is asking the Club for a £250,000 bridging loan to cover the cost of running Cycle Champions past the end of the contract. Now, I may be wrong about that, but Simon Connell and John are well placed to correct me if I am wrong... This may well be ...