Si wrote:I know that the Earth is more than 10 Km from the centre of the Sun.
I think that that is another one that should be a "believe", for most people; after all, virtually no one has measured it for themselves...we are just trusting those scientists who say that they have, and in turn most of them were trusting someone who said that the tools that they used were correct.
pwa wrote:wearwell wrote:Today is Wednesday (as I write this). I know it is Wednesday - I can't choose to "know" it is any other day.Vorpal wrote:I would argue that there is a limit to what you can choose (or not choose) to believe, based in culture. Someone who growsn up in a Christian culture is unlikely to believe in Hindu gods and vice versa. People can educate themselves about other cultures and religions, and a very few convert to another faith, but we are influenced by things we learn about religion growing up. It is easier to reject one's own faith than to adopt another.
As for knowing? People can as easily choose what they know, as what they believe. Maybe even more easily. They need only ignore arguments to the contrary.
These are very slippery concepts. You can "know" it is Wednesday, only to discover that actually you have made a mistake and it is actually Thursday. So it turns out you only "believed" it was Wednesday. In pedantically absolute terms we "know" nothing.
Today is Wednesday (as I write this). I know it is Wednesday - I can't choose to "know" it is any other day.Vorpal wrote:I would argue that there is a limit to what you can choose (or not choose) to believe, based in culture. Someone who growsn up in a Christian culture is unlikely to believe in Hindu gods and vice versa. People can educate themselves about other cultures and religions, and a very few convert to another faith, but we are influenced by things we learn about religion growing up. It is easier to reject one's own faith than to adopt another.
As for knowing? People can as easily choose what they know, as what they believe. Maybe even more easily. They need only ignore arguments to the contrary.
You can choose what you believe but you can't chose what you know.Vorpal wrote:.....
What is the difference between believing and knowing? ....
reohn2 wrote:pwa wrote:I've always enjoyed discussing religion. I rarely let the Jehova's Witnesses get away too quickly. Last week I told them that when they say their prayers they are talking to a void, not to God. I regretted it instantly, because it was unkind. But I like talking about religion, unless it is with someone who shares my opinions. I'm the same with politics, really. It's no fun if people agree with me.
I think the problem is one of faith,nothing can be proven or disproved,so it's not quite straight forward as there's no facts that can be pointed to by either side,only persuasion to faith or not.
You get used to being without clips and change your technique. Just because you are used to being able to position your clipped foot anywhere, doesn't convey any advantage in the long run.MartinC wrote:mjr wrote:...............I don't understand why you can't scoot-start without pushing off or backpedal..........................
One can scoot start but it takes longer and provides desperately little power compared to pushing down on a pedal prepositioned at 10 to 12. The essence is that if you can lift a pedal you can position one for starting as you slow, stop and put the other foot down. You can also abort the stopping process at any point and set off as smartly as you like instantly. You can also easily abort the setting off process but be instantly ready to resume it. Hence I find it much more congenial in traffic.
OK; "definitely not on for me". No doubt others can do it. Stopping very suddenly can catch you (me) out with foot still clipped in.Brucey wrote:wearwell wrote:I'm a flat pedal convert.
I've just spent a week cycling around Cologne on a multitude of errands (long story). Pavement, cycle lanes, roads, all legal (depending on details) which is a system which works brilliantly but does involve switching from one to the other, stopping /starting, dodging pedestrians, sometimes on narrow pavements. Clips or SPDs definitely not on....
Bike messengers use allsorts, so the idea that something is 'definitely not on' doesn't bear close scrutiny. I don't care how fiddly your route was, it won't be as fiddly as some MTBing is, ......
You can do it how you like.Bigdummysteve wrote:I've just completed 762miles of my first leg, the I started in wick then up to duncansby head, brief stop at jog then up to dunnet head, didn't want to be accused of not doing it properly!......