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by Orbit531C
23 Mar 2024, 8:31am
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Cycle Retail In Meltdown.
Replies: 208
Views: 36197

Re: Cycle Retail In Meltdown.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... out=true

Cycle retail in meltdown - an article in Bloomberg news about the problems in cycle retail in Europe -particularly the Netherlands- which describes the boom-bust consequences of Covid, and mentions Raleigh job cuts, Shimano's 30% drop in sales last year and Halfords.
It is a business article but offers interesting insights into German and global cycling retail trends.
by Orbit531C
13 Mar 2024, 9:23am
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Tourer for gentle off-roading?
Replies: 145
Views: 9091

Re: Tourer for gentle off-roading?

djnotts wrote: 12 Mar 2024, 5:51pm ^
"Road conditions at that time, especially in countries like Italy and France were often appalling. The long fork rake and the long wheelbase had a dampening affect on the rough road conditions."

Coming soon then to a road near you!
Good point!
In these conditions analogous to "gentle off-roading", is it my imagination or has the Tour leader Louison Bobet actually got a (short) mudguard on his (gravel) bike -avant le lettre- - as he crosses the Tour de Fer in the 1948 stage 8 in the snowy Pyrenees from Biarritz to Lourdes of the TDF?

https://cyclehistory.files.wordpress.co ... artali.jpg
by Orbit531C
12 Mar 2024, 5:34pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Tourer for gentle off-roading?
Replies: 145
Views: 9091

Re: Tourer for gentle off-roading?

Dave Moulton, framebuilder who later went to work in the States, has an interesting blog page on the evolution of bicycle fork offset and trail from near zero trail in the 30's and the attendant theory about it then: he writes

"... Bicycles built in the 1930s through the 1950s typically had as much as 3 ½ inches (9cm.) of fork rake resulting in very little trial, often zero. There was a theory at that time that trail made steering heavy and sluggish.

I remember writing an article for Cycling magazine in the 1970s; someone wrote to me saying my theories on trail were wrong, and sent me an early 1950s article from Cycling to prove it.

The old theory was that if you had the front wheel’s point of contact behind the steering axis, when the steering was turned 90 degrees the point of contact was then on the steering axis line. Therefore, the front end of the bike had dropped slightly, and to straighten up again, the steering had to lift the weight of the bike and rider; thus sluggish handling.


While this statement is true, in practice when riding, the front wheel never turns 90 degrees. In fact during normal cornering the front wheel turns very little, making this whole theory about the front of the bike going up and down irrelevant.

I started racing in the early 1950s and I can say from experience the bikes of that era did not handle and corner near as well as today’s designs. These bikes handled reasonably well because frames were built with much longer wheelbases, wheels and tires were heavier, and tires were fatter.

Road conditions at that time, especially in countries like Italy and France were often appalling. The long fork rake and the long wheelbase had a dampening affect on the rough road conditions.

As road conditions improved, bikes were built with shorter wheelbases and at the same time tires became much narrower. It eventually became necessary to increase trail to keep the bike going straight.

There was a somewhat chicken and egg situation with regard to shortening wheelbases and adding trail. In my case I shortened the fork rake to shorten the wheelbase and found the resulting increase in trail was an improvement.

Other older established builders, still clinging to the little or no trail theory, shortened the fork rake but at the same time made the head angle steeper to maintain the trail status quo.

This made for some very squirrelly bikes being built in the 1970s, with 75 and 76 degree head angles and front wheels almost touching the down tube. Shorter chainstays to shorten the rear end of the bike were pretty much universally accepted.

A shorter wheelbase means the bike will turn on a tighter radius. Think of a school bus and a compact car, which one will turn tighter? The front wheel turns less on a short wheelbase bike on any given corner; this translates to having to lean less to get around a bend.

I think the big advantage I had was that I was still actively racing and could try out these changes, and experience the difference first hand. Eventually everyone agreed that trail was not a bad thing and head angles became sensible again.

Frames I built had around 2 ½ inches (6.3cm.) of trail. In the early 1970s I did experiment with more trail but found that the bike felt sluggish and had a tendency to wander when climbing or sprinting out of the saddle.

As with any design aspect, more is not necessarily better; for a road bike with a 73 degree head angle the optimum trail seems to be around 2 to 2 ½ inches (5 to 6.3cm.)"

see-http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/bl ... story.html

Photo: Typical European road conditions in the 1940s. Louison Bobet leads Gino Bartali (striped cap) and André Brulé in the 1948 Tour de France. Picture from The Wool Jersey.]
by Orbit531C
12 Mar 2024, 3:19pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Tourer for gentle off-roading?
Replies: 145
Views: 9091

Re: Tourer for gentle off-roading?

re. "people get ever so worked up about things that - in the real world - make little practical difference":

Jan Heine cycled 1,218 km in just 60:05 hours for the Paris - Brest- Paris on his very low trail steel Rene Herse with just 27.7mm trail (73° head, fork offset of 70mm).

CJ ex CTC technical editor rides a high trail of 68-70 mm trail on his Holdsworth Mystique "My Holdsworth Mystique gravel bike frame, that I chose as the basis for a clubrun/audax style of bike in order to get actual... mudguard and toe clearance in carbon, has 71° & 50mm [fork offset], so 67mm of trail.
That's more than I'd have thought ideal, a LOT more than the Thorn Audax it replaces... and did feel very different at first"

I can't imagine two bikes feeling more different to ride...
by Orbit531C
12 Mar 2024, 1:45pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Tourer for gentle off-roading?
Replies: 145
Views: 9091

Re: Tourer for gentle off-roading?

djnotts wrote: 12 Mar 2024, 1:30pm Skimming the above geometry issues makes me wonder how I've managed to ride so very many, very varied, bikes over last 25 years without ever bothering my brain with such knowledge!
What fascinates me is that Jan Heine has ridden that bicycle on some amazing long distance events & very fast:
"To some, the Herse may look like a classic from a bygone time, but its performance is totally modern. I choose it when I want to go far and fast, so I’ve ridden it in 2 Paris-Brest-Paris, 2 Raids Pyreneen, the Oregon Outback..."

"....the Velo-News editor when he heard about my FKT (Fastest Known Time) on the Oregon Outback, the 363-mile (585 km) bikepacking route that stretches all the way across Oregon, from the California border to the Columbia River. So much of my bike goes against bike industry trends…

....Except for the fact that the bike was 1:14 hours faster than the previous best. As much as I’d like to claim superior legs, all the other racers who have ridden the Oregon Outback in less than 30 hours are stronger and faster than I am. If it’s not the rider, then the bike at least has to contribute…"

https://www.renehersecycles.com/oregon- ... r-madness/
by Orbit531C
12 Mar 2024, 1:38pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Tourer for gentle off-roading?
Replies: 145
Views: 9091

Re: Tourer for gentle off-roading?

...deeper in the brochure Jan Heine writes:

" TECHNICAL SPECS
Geometry / Handling / Fit:
These frames are designed with a low-trail front-end geometry for a bent-elbows riding position with a light touch on the handlebars. If you tend to grip the handlebars firmly, these bikes will feel 'nervous,' as they react even to small handlebar inputs.

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by Orbit531C
12 Mar 2024, 1:16pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Tourer for gentle off-roading?
Replies: 145
Views: 9091

Re: Tourer for gentle off-roading?

... I'm assuming that that frame is one of the very limited edition "80th Anniversary Rene Herse Framesets" that
J.Heine commissioned based on his own bike.. for wealthy cyclists with an insatiable urge to try that particularly French approach to randonneurs. Potential buyers first had to write saying how they were going to use the bicycle, before they were selected to get on the list of potential owners....and only after paying top dollar

80th Anniversary Rene Herse Frameset

https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/bi ... n-payment/
by Orbit531C
12 Mar 2024, 1:09pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Tourer for gentle off-roading?
Replies: 145
Views: 9091

Re: Tourer for gentle off-roading?

I wonder if this helps - it gives very detailed geometry details of "René Herse 650B Randonneuse Jan Heine 585"


https://bikeinsights.com/bike-geometrie ... -heine-585
by Orbit531C
21 Feb 2024, 9:21pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Are there any modern cranksets that aren't goppingly awful?
Replies: 41
Views: 4781

Re: Are there any modern cranksets that aren't goppingly awful?

BikinGreen chainsets are available new and are a lot less... um ah, "surgically enhanced" than most contemporary models are - I mean from the main stream offerings, and conveniently come with more suitably sized chainrings 46t anyone? for touring and randonneuring... even though they are not 'completely' beautiful in the way the slender, polished and and elegant Italian and French models of the 70's were...
by Orbit531C
29 Jan 2024, 9:49am
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: English cycles Range Rider
Replies: 42
Views: 4670

Re: English cycles Range Rider

If you are not convinced Nearholmer, enjoy watching this
"The Start of British Mountain Biking" - Video of the 3rd Wendover Bash – Sunday 22nd of June 1986

The 1984 Wendover Bash was Britain’s first downhill, trials and Hill-climb, mountain bike event, and the second to include cross country racing

https://youtu.be/pPAH4ng6_iw

Which shows a Mk1 Cleland Dingbat with its long headtube, high bottom-bracket and 3" wide rear tyre doing some impressive feats, including Hill climbing a nearly 45' slope...
by Orbit531C
22 Jan 2024, 10:08am
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: New 1 inch carbon forks for Italian steel frame
Replies: 53
Views: 4841

Re: New 1 inch carbon forks for Italian steel frame

1" Columbus "Minimal" carbon forks with 1" steerer are being sold by a number of sellers eg Triton Cycles where they are on sale:
https://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/frames-f ... ork-p13722

These are very light at 340g and have a full carbon steerer tube, (unlike the Tifosi one with alloy steerer and 658g) probably as a result some users report them to add springiness/ comfort...

You can read reviews of them online eg here: https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=243836
One reviewer Prototoast writes "I've used the 1 1/8" Columbus minimal fork and was happy with it...Felt about as stiff as an Enve fork. Clearance for 28 tires. What's not to like?"

And on another site: "another recommendation for the Columbus Minimal - one on my Merckx Ti and one on my riding buddy's Merckx Ti. They are a vast improvement over the 18 year old carbon forks with al dropouts and steerers."
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/foru ... e_vignette

Chickenkit sell them too
https://www.chickencyclekit.co.uk/shop/ ... mal-forks/

One CTC forum user has them: search.php?keywords=Columbus+1+inch+Minimal+For

And a review here: https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/compo ... ork-review
by Orbit531C
3 Jul 2023, 10:01pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: ... whether there are any female frame builders?
Replies: 30
Views: 6376

Re: ... whether there are any female frame builders?

warning, almighty thread resurrection...
...Ten years later....
I had to add an update to this topic, as yesterday I was riding my Nigel Dean silver-brazed Reynolds 753 racer (complete with Cinelli cast lugs and aero-spoiler bottom bracket) across the Lincolnshire wolds, thinking that it was not far from where it was first made & brazed in Barton-on-Humber in about 1988/9 by a woman frame builder called Brenda:

"Your comments about the quality of the Nigel Dean bike filled me with a sense of pride as I worked at the factory in the late 80s. The company was called Tiger Sports and Leisure and based in Barton on Humber, the old Elswick Hopper site, probably the largest manufacturer of bikes in the world in the early 1900s. The factory was small in 1988 employing no more than 20 people. I was 18 years old when I started working there and after a couple of years worked as a brazer/frame constructor. I remember the Reynolds tubing and forged lugs and ends being of really high quality and we all took pride in brazing all the components. The seat stays were cut, caps brazed on the seat end with the flanges turned flush on a belt, by hand. They were then brazed onto the seat lug by building up the brass. A good brazer made this look smoth with no lumps, Brenda was the best at this! Check under your seat for the workmanship...

I realise that the bikes we produced were made to a high standard and I'm not sure they are made that way anymore. The 531 tourer was a great bike and the racing frames with steap heads and little clearance on the down tube were light and very good. The 753 and 653 were very light and had to be silver soldered. The shot blaster had to be turned right down to avoid warping the tubes."

from YACF, posted August, 2014:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=45592.0

I hope she is happy knowing that her art & craftsmanship is still bring appreciated to this day...
... is it implausible that Brenda, a female given name, apparently comes from a Germanic word meaning “flame” (or “sword”)?
by Orbit531C
13 Jun 2023, 9:49pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Building bikes to last - feature for Cycle magazine
Replies: 205
Views: 13665

Re: Building bikes to last - feature for Cycle magazine

There's an interesting post by Bigbloke on this forum, 12 years after he received a recommendation - from Willem on this forum- to get a Fahrradmanufaktur VSF-T400: ("They work well for many years, can stand outside year after year without rusting")
"What has failed over 12 years ? Considering the major hammering it has had, astonishingly little:..."

I hope he doesn't mind me quoting it in full:

"is it really 12 years since I started this thread ? - Scary ! wow!
As a brief "Epilogue" / long term owner review, I still have the aforementioned VSF-T400

What have I changed over 12 years ?

well:

* I got rid of the bell!
* I added bar ends
* I got rid of the pedals and toe clips as I have finally been converted to Shimano SPDs
* I upgraded the brakes to Magura HS-33
* I added a Garmin GPS
* I added a blaze laser light
* I Switched from the supplied conti ' tyres to Schwalbe Marathon plus MTBs
I upgraded the saddle to a Brooks leather one (after someone slashed the supplied saddle)

What has failed over 12 years ?

Considering the major hammering it has had, astonishingly little:

* The Shimano hub dynamo failed after about 4 years. I had it replaced - the replacement works 100% to date
* The SKS front mudguard cracked in half 2 weeks ago - Just replaced them both this weekend
* The bleed screws on the Marugas were "brutalised" by an LBS which resulted in the thread stripping on the chamber so
I had to replace it
* The alloy Seat post bolt snapped after a fairly major bump about 8 years ago.

What component is now showing the most / least wear and tear ?

ironically (as its the least used) the tubus tara front rack is probably the most worn which is now rusting a bit - I need to
whip it off and respray it when time permits.

least is probably the frame paint job which continues to amaze me

Would I still recommend it ?

Good Dawkins yes! - it continues to be, beyond all doubt, the best cycling purchase
I have ever made"

viewtopic.php?t=42282&hilit=VSF+T400+willem&start=30
by Orbit531C
28 Apr 2023, 7:27pm
Forum: Bikes & Bits – Technical section
Topic: Lugged Frame Building Bottom Bracket Shell
Replies: 13
Views: 1665

Re: Lugged Frame Building Bottom Bracket Shell

Superb work Andy, really really impressed. The pictures are great. A lot of time & attention, but what a sense of rightful pride in your own work you will have when you are riding your own hand brazed, hand made frame!
by Orbit531C
19 Feb 2023, 8:45pm
Forum: Does anyone know … ?
Topic: Thorn Cyclosportif - actual max tyre size
Replies: 12
Views: 1177

Re: Thorn Cyclosportif - actual max tyre size

you're welcome, I've been down that same rabbit hole!
PS there's an actual discussion here about 2 owners of Cyclosportif's about fitting - or not fitting - 24/25 tyres on theirs, with mudguards: http://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1595.15

"Incidentally Alf, it is perfectly possible to run a Cyclosortif with Panaracer 700x25c tyres with mudguards fitted - that's my standard setup for Audax. You might find it a bit more responsive than the Mk3 (I don't know, I haven't tried the latter)."
....
"Not on my Cyclosportif you can't! I've tried using 24mm Vittoria Open Pave tyres and the front was OK but there was mudguard rub at the rear, perhaps the Panaracers have a different profile. Now that I've got an Audax Mk.3 with mudguards fitted my Cyclosportif will be my Sunday best"