stewartpratt wrote:Turbo10 wrote:Street views are not necessary anyway to show that their "positioning" was dangerous and inconsiderate to other road users.
Inconsiderate is one thing. There are plenty of inconsiderate cyclists (as there are plenty of inconsiderate people generally).
I'm genuinely curious as to what about "positioning" you perceive to be dangerous, though.
I can see that swerving unpredictably could be construed as dangerous (though given that bicycles don't travel well over larger potholes or badly-oriented gratings, swerving is something that one should anticipate), but I don't think swerving is "positioning".
I can see that riding on the wrong side of the road is both "dangerous" and falls under "positioning", but I don't think you've accused them of that.
I'm not playing some logical game to box you into a corner of having to concede that the only danger is that the frustrated motorist eventually gets fed up and has a punt at a less-than-ideal overtake. I know full well that it's human nature to do this, and IMO this is something that many less pragmatic cyclists would do well to accept. But I wonder if there's something you observed which you think is inherently dangerous. Then maybe we can explain why a cyclist might do it, or we might have a think our own behaviour. I think without an explanation of the danger you perceive, the criticism ceases to be constructive.
"Positioning" was a question that I was asked, I took positioning to mean the way these cyclist positioned themselves across the road. In this instance as I said before when the road was narrow they were 3 abreast, when the road was wider 4 abreast. This type of tactic I consider dangerous and inconsiderate to other road users, they knew we were there waiting to overtake them, most of them at one point or another looked back and could well see MANY cars wanting to proceed faster than themselves, 15 mph on the flat and 5 mph up hill.
I have been a motorcyclist for near on 40 years and to this day when I am in my car if I see a motorcyclist coming towards me at a faster speed I pull well over the the nearside as possible thus giving the MC a much safer opportunity to overtake as and when he thinks it is safe to do so.........THIS IS CALLED CONSIDERATION TO OTHER ROAD USERS !!!!
The wife has just pointed out to me, we did 285 miles on Sunday, in that time we had approx 2 miles of motorway traffic that for some reason dropped us down to about 20 mph and 3 + miles of dangerous and inconsiderate cyclists that dropped us down to 5mph.
This week end was really one of many occasions I have had need to frown on dangerous and inconsiderate cyclists. Some weeks past on a nice Sunday a T junction was virtually blocked by about 10 cyclists, they decided to repair a puncture actually on the junction standing on the give way line blocking any possibility of anybody turning left unless they went on the other side of the road, on my left was a perfectly flat grassed area they could have done the repair, when the car in front of me asked why did they see fit to block the road he was told to F off, nice.
Last autumn on a country road we were travelling down a country road about 25 / 30 mph, in front of us was a Nissan Micra with a woman driver, heading into a slight left hand bent only to be hit by a cyclist, on the corner her OSF wing, he was on our side of the road about 6 or 12 inches over the white line, he bounced off her, hit one of his posy of about 10 that was with him, knocked him off and the both ended up on the floor. He jumped up and tried to blame the woman for hitting him. The other cyclist dismounted and put all there bikes down in the road and thought nothing of the obstruction they caused to the cars that came along over the next 10 mins or so.
and anyway I use consideration to other road users so I wouldn't fit in.