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by the way.. My current Bottom Bracket is something I'm not familiar with, but I use them with FC-6400 shimano 600 ultegra cranks. Do I have to change the bottom bracket to, if I want to change the cranks to Campy?

Aren't the bottom brackets are the same from the square tapered era? Thanks a lot for the answers, I guess I'll look into it in more details (I don't want to sell my bottom bracket if I don't need a specific campy one..)

Exactly what I've found.

Probably I'd be able to get athena cranks in this condition:

http://kepfeltoltes.hu/130321/IMG_1168_ ... es.hu_.jpg
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/130321/IMG_1170_ ... es.hu_.jpg
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/130321/IMG_1169_ ... es.hu_.jpg


or a record titanium from an 9spd recordti set:

http://kepfeltoltes.hu/130317/rehm1_www ... es.hu_.jpg
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/130317/rehm2_www ... es.hu_.jpg

the athena'd be something like 20 pounds, the record ti would be 70-80. And I'd still have to get an italian threaded BB.

wherever I looked I've found that 36x24 T 70 should indicate italian threading. Or Am I totally wrong?

Also, what would be a reasonable choice to replace old ultegra FC-6400 crankset in campy? Would Athena be a serious "downgrade"? I guess their weight is fairly similar, so it'd come to the weight of the bottom bracket and lateral stiffness, torque in the end.

says something like

36*24 tpi 70

I guess it won't be english after all

I was wondering whether It'd be possible to tell the threading of a bottom bracket just from the outside..

The width of the shell measures exactly 70mm, the frame is a vintage italian road frame from around '86-'88, a Basso Coral from the brand's own cro-moly tubing.

The nationality-width-every other Coral frame out there indicates that it's certainly Italian, but can I be sure about it without removing the cranks ?

If not, I'd just simply remove them and check for other signs-eg. thread.

I still recall when I first bought the Mirage Brifters 8spd from him and he told they're "renovated".. Well, new shift levers, newly polished brake lever without scratches, new springs, new hoods. The whole had the distinct odour of new rubber bands. And they function perfectly, so I feel I've made good choice. I don't know what hes up to, but he always has plenty of vintage campagnolo parts so literally whenever I need anything I don't even hunt for offers, cause I know that "newmodel" can get almost everything from the 90's era.

I think the rims should be okay. I mean, they're quite heavy, so I guess there must be some good alloy material in them. The weight of the rims is around 490 grs. Those are quite heavy IMHO, as I'm used to lighter stuff (GP-4, Open4 CD, MA-2)

Here's a wheelset I'm going to get.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1081670021 ... 0puwifbJYQ

The seller states that they're Athena hubs with Mexico 68 rims. The wheelset with cassette and rim tapes will going to cost about 85-90 pounds.

Would it be reasonable? I trust the guy because I've bought several eight speed campy stuff from him, including brifters, rear mech, brakes. he always was honest and straight, can I trust him this time to?

Okay, then it's decided, new massive wheelset, other compound-mixed brake pads.

The final question:

what wheelset for an 8speed campa drivetrain?

can I just use shimano 10 speed wheels with 8 speed cassette if I replace the spacers between the cogs with seven speed spacers to give me exactly the required cassette sprocket spacing? Will the cassette body has enough space for it?

Thank you!

Cheers

Well, here's the problem: my winter bike, with campy 8spd gruppo currently running with 7spd shimano cassette at the rear has some serious wear on the rim braking surface, especially the hind wheel. So, probably there'd be a nice time to get some wheels to run 8spd campagnolo, and, as that stuff is generally overprized, my first thought was to simply get shimano freehub wheels, and use 8spd shimano cassette or 8spd shimano with seven speed spacers between the cogs.

The main question is: what wheels/wheelset. Probably the cheapest would be 2 buy a second hand wheelset. For new, "inda shop, newly laced, never ridden" wheelsets my choices would be (budget is the most essential ofc) ambrosio varo, or sh-105 hubs laced with gipiemme tecno 032 rims with some "alpina" spokes and standard copper nipples.

Unfortunately I've failed to acquire Khamsin wheelset for 75 euros when it was on sale at rosebikes.

As the bike has campy 8spd brifters-rear mech, I'd obviously want to use 8spd if it's possible to build a budget wheel with 8spd campy spaced cassette.

I know that there are marchisio branded spacers to convert 9spd campy to 8spd, or they can even costum fabrique 8spd campy spaced cassette to fit shimano hubs, but the company has horribly high shipping prices and ofc top-notch quality cnc machined costum made cassettes aren't known as "cheap"..

So, if you were me, how would you decide? Thanks for the answers.

Also, if anyone has more experience with brake pads.. What would you recommend which doesn't kill the rim, has good stopping power? The brakes would be tektro r-510 ones (I'm pleased with their performance after the old single pivot calipers, but the brake pads feel like hard dark plastic blocks..)

Thank you and have a nice day.

thanks : ) I'll look into it.

Interesting though that on the wilier' website the bike is with sh105 components, whereas here in this country you can either have it with veloce, or with xenon-veloce mix, or with centaur, centaur-veloce mix. The "vanilla wheels" of the bike are great IMHO too. In fact, lacing wheels of that spec would almost cost twice as much as getting khamsin, so I don't think there's any issue with quailty.

Looking forward for next rides.

decision well made : ) Though not as "sporty" as my old steel frame, due to the slight ascending angle of the stem, and the length of the stem too, it's a great ride. Resembles a bit of "c2c riding position", more comfortable than lying on my stomach, but a bit unusual just now.

The khamsin wheels are stiff, easy to gain speed with, and the sound of the freehub is another great experience for my ears after using shimano for thousands of miles. : o)

And finally, I have the chance to be able to stop on course with the dual pivot veloce brakes. The veloce levers are easy to use, they're earlier models, I believe I can upshift 3 at a stroke and the whole spectrum downwards.

Cranks propel the bike with force, no effort is wasted with them.

Unfortunately I'll only be 22 yo, been weightlifting for years, started cycling few months ago, doing crossfit style stuff for few years, so I'm not in too bad shape, and the bike has gear ratio of 13t-26t... so a rear cassette would be nice eg, 12-23t or something like that. Keep in mind, that the whole bike is about 2-2.5 kgs lighter than my steel training-commuter bike, with much lighter wheels, thereby it's no wonder that I find it funny how easy it is to accelerate, gain speed even in the corners.

I like the wide gear ratio though when there's some town riding with lot of traffic lights and short sprints... Oh, and campy levers are so much easier and nicer to use than sh tiagras. Just my opinion and two cents.

Anyway, I'll keep using my winter bike for a while now, as there's snowy rain again...

Decision is final, the ticket is about to being in my pocket for tomorrow's journey for the La Triestina.

The funny thing is: even though the guy ordered the bike with Khamsin wheels, yesterday there was some advert for 0km brand new wheels with folding CST tyres on miche racing box hubz laced with ambrosio élite rims. I thought that "hmmm looks like it was the vanilla wheelset of a la triestina...". Consulted the seller, and he told that yes, it's that, just he has 3 wheelsets, so he doesn't need this one which came with the bike he bought yesterday...

It's a "fashion wave" nowadayz to buy new la triestinas, as there are about 3 shops in the country who sell them for almost nothing.. You can get the bike cheaper than most second hand ones..

The main factor in the decision was that even though I'd get the life-long warranty of the frame of the TREK, I don't think I'll ever need it. The willier looks better, especially the Veloce groupset. The khamsin rear wheels lacing style looks astonishing, the tyres are folding and not rigid types.

Oh, and the bike has less km-s ran. Mostly used indoors for polishing, cleaning. And I even get a cap for gratis.. I now just have to convince the guy to sell me some cheap pedals as well.. : )

Oh. And 9 out of 10 people suggested the Willier as a choice. So, decision is final, next step is to get that sweetie.

of course i'LL Chuck my options. just simply realised that buying a second hand, last year or 2-3yo allow-carbon roadie with a decent gruppo woudl be cheaper than to upgrade my steel bike with the cheapest...

I agree that Cube can be a decent choice. ANd also a german company called Focus. I keep my options open until sunday, then the decision will be final : )

excuse me for bumping the thread again. so, I really can't make a decision... Two bikes, two perfect fit rides, both of them very comfortable, handles well.

XL sized Willier La Triestina
Campy Veloce 10s, Ultra torque crankset
Khamsin Wheelset.

58 CT sized sloping geo Trek 1.5
Tiagra groupset
32 hole laced wheels with bontrager rims, Dura-Ace hubs (Front-rear, both)
new tyres.

BOth fit me well. The latter would cost about 40 pounds less, not to mention that the Trek is a local bike, whereas I'd have to travel another 400kms to get the willier if I choose that.

Although Khamsin wheels have the reputation of being indestructible, traditionally laced 32hole wheelset with traditional, not sealed bearing hubs is more easily servicable. Getting a new rim or spokes would be piece of cake, whereas with the Khamsin it'd be a bit harder.

And of course I'd get the life-long warranty card for the Trek frame. Both frameset'd come with triple butted alu tubing and carbon forks, so it's really a hard decision to make. As I've mentioned, the Trek'd be about 40pounds cheaper.

I have to think it through as this decision would mean buying a bike for at least 4-5 years. at least. : )

Thanks for the advice, I'd definitely heed it. It seems better to lok after the rims braking surface rather than "bang it" without sense.

I also saw some ooffer for Specialized Allez Sport, but I'm totally biased towards the classical frame geometry instead of the sloping. The latter is just not fit me on the long run, I prefer a more "lean forward" position for utilising the posterior chain of muscles more.

And I also don't think that Tiagra can perform as well as veloce . :-\