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These were my thoughts exactly. DOn't get me wrong, I've maintained the other bike well. Got it dried-greased after my rainy filthy rides, but when the mud gets compressed against the braking surface, the rim soaks with wet mud, then there is not much you can do apart from cleaning it, greasing the hubs.

So I'd keep the old steel framed bike for these mud-rides in the rain and I'd use the new bike under friendlier conditions. that's another reason why I don't upgrade the wheels-derailleurs-cranks on the old frame: I need a bike what I can use in shtty weather and on the worst road rides as well.

After all: you can't just sit on your ass and not ride just because of the weather And fortunately there are some mudguards what can be fitted on nearly every frame.. such as: this one:

http://www.testbike.hu/velemeny/sarvedo/acor-afd-2503

I use it and though you need something for the front wheel's mudguard to keep your shoes from soaking, they offer great protection. And they don't have much noise nor weight, though it's almost impossible to use tyres wider than 24 mm when they're on the bike...

After all I think I'll opt for the willier, as I have the luxury of time so getting the bike is not a pressing matter, I just want to buy it now in off season as the prices will skyrocket at the spring

I've used older steel framed road bikes for thousands of miles, ridden my bike in snowy rain, days after snow when the roads were soaking with muddy - salty half melted snow. And because of it, my wheels have rusty spokes, the old lightweight mavic rims doesn't have much life in their braking surface, and after some calculations I've got the impression it'd be cheaper to go for an "all out" upgrade than to change the parts individually on my bike.

So for the answer: yes, I know that wheels with lot of spokes do not look too good But among the potholes and mud I face during my daily rides I'd find it wiser to stick with old style laced wheels or with training wheels such as Khamsin or Fulcrum 7. : o) And only opt for lighter wheels when you really need that little extra.

Not to mention I managed to save a lot of weight with only upgrading the rimtape-inner tube-tyre trinity... Folding tyres, lightweight tubes, lighter rim tape, and I saved cca. 150 grams per wheel..

Yet another first road bike thread.

I'll be brief. We are about to buy the first ever road bike which is younger than my age (21yo). We still have some decisions to make, here are the possible choices.

1. Orbea Aqua with Centaur F-R derailleurs and Centaur crank set with Campagnolo Scirocco wheelset, Veloce brakes and veloce ergos. The tyres are conti super-sport plus folding tyres. THe bike is new in a bike shop, in fact, they build these bikes on new frames, from new parts. Stem-handlebar and accessories are from ITM stuff. The bike would be something like 950 euros.

2. Willier La Triestina with Veloce gruppos and ambrosio rims laced with miche racing box hubs, 36 holes. Tyres probably vittoria zaffiro. The gruppo is complete veloce 10s, though the bike's frame is from 3ple butted alu instead of double butted as with the Orbea. The cost would be slightly lower, something like 900 euros.

3. Used but from a bike shop. Pinarello Gallileo, 10s Veloce gruppo, Vuelta Crosser wheelset. The bike is a bit older, it doesn't have that funny wavy fork as the newer Pinarellos. The bike would come from a bike shop with warranty. It'd be the cheapest, like 850 euros.

Of course one can "costumize" the Orbea with other wheelset (Miche Race or Miche Excyte, or with Fulcrum Racing 7.) and it'd be possible to build a bike from used parts, or buy a second-hand from a private person (cheaper). But after some time browsing through the offers become quite harrassing, and it seems easier-reasonable to buy a new bike from a store with warranty.

Unfortunately I'm bit biased towards campy gruppos, as after some rides I've found them to be more comfortable than shimano shifters, so from practical point of view I'd opt for campy stuff.

My last option'd be to build on a frame with old 9s veloce gruppo, but this wouldn't be much cheaper than the first three, and I'd have to get wheels-frame-gruppo from three different places, not to mention that the brakes would be single pivot, and the crankset doesn't look too well (teeth are a bit worn out..).

The best price-value choice IMHO would be the first, the Orbea. I've searched for the WIllier, which is the nicest bike of all in white-red colour, but the frame costs much more than the frame of the Orbea, and the latter has Centaur derailleurs and crankset with Scirocco wheels instead of laced ones. (so the weight of the two bikes wouldn't be much different, and it's always easier to go with a bike with very light wheels (like folding tyres-light wheelset with light rims) than with a bike with heavier wheels but lighter frame.

So, which'd be the best choice? This'd be the first "young road bike" of us, so we'd want to make a wise choice. I know that I could by a cheaper bike with eg. sh 2200 hubs, sh 2300 groupset or with sora mix, but a bike like that would still cost as much as 800euros, and you can't compare a 10s veloce-centaur mix with sora-2300 mix. IMHO. ^^

tomr wrote:I notice that you have not mentioned probably the most important choice - getting good double-butted spokes on whatever rims & hubs you choose.

You can afford a little more weight on the rims, but don't skimp on the spokes. What about Mavic Open Sport on Shimano 105 hubs with DT Swiss double-butted spokes? They will last you forever & ride lovely from the off.

Tom

Checked the prices on your site, and I must admit: it's cheaper than the prices @ home... Practically, the mentioned set is about 80% of the price of what we have here, and there's a guy in the town who has a wheelset exaclt ylike it for sale with 1.5k miles ... for 100pounds...

For me the cheapest source of quality bike parts is rosebikes.. It's a german site, but they ship to hungary for 9euros, which is even cheaper than the post within the boundaries of this country...

First I thought you're the guy from my town who is selling exactly the same wheelset you mentioned, cause I was the first who interested about those wheels, but he overpriced it too much for my taste, and those wheels have 1500 miles in them..

the guy is practically re-loads -re-news his advert in about 6-8 pages every day, and throws up his advert on facebook every other day...

But really, I like the good quality spokes, but sapim spokes cost half the price of DT's. Are the latter are much higher quality, or is it just the name?

Hmmm my rear rim's braking surface looks worse than anything that I've ever seen. So getting new wheels will actually getting more and more crucial.

My only concern is that every time I see a good offer (Eg: newly laced wheels with shimano 105 FH-5500 hubs and gipiemme tecno 032 rims, for 90euro from a bikestore...) there's always another guy who gives a better offer (same price but with lighter rims and ultegra hubs.. X) and after not making a decision I end up with not buying anything at all

finally assembled all pieces, and... IT WORKS Indexed perfectly the very same time the cable has been fixed.

Shimano RD-6400 tricolor rear derailleur
Shimano FD-1050 front derailleur
Shimano 105 FH-1051 Hub with shimano 7 speed casette 12-14-16-18-20-22-24
Campagnolo Mirage eight speed ergolever

The whole casette shifts perfectly, works like magic. Still need to install that f....in handlebar tape though... (the most difficult part...)

managed to ask the seller for weight specifics. The whole wheelset is 1.900 gramms, so, I say, it's a go for that little money he asks, not to mention it's a newly built wheelset.

One could get gipiemme tecno rims laced with 5500 shimano 105 hubs (silver coloured, brand new?) or ultegra 6600 hubs with rigida ultimate power. But I'd like to buy a wheelset which is cheap-new and I have the opportunity to actually buy it in person rather than without seeing it. : )

Excuse my opening of a new thread, but I have specific questions regarding some parts of wheels.

Anyone heard of rims called "vuelta flyer"? A seller states that he has brand new f-r tiagra hubs laced with "vuelty flyer" rims.." well, I know the rigida flyers, those are quite light-durable half-aero profiled wheels (you know, then the edge is not so high to give any aero advantage, but adds to the weight of the wheel )

Other questions are related to something called gippiemme tecno hubs, with sealed bearings, and gipiemme tecno rims. THese are quite cheap and they can be laced-trued easily, durable, and due to the sealed bearings tolerate dust a bit better??

Are any of these would be a reasonable long-term solution for a recreational rider? I tipically ride 2 hours per day if the weather is good (I mean, no snow. I don't really care with rain, unfortunately, my bike does.. )

I've only heard nice reviews of tiagra hubs, but never heard of those rims... THe seller states that the wheelset is quite light, but I'M afraid that's just something what he says and not the fact..

Or are those rims identical-similar to rigida flyerz?

at last the ergos arrived this evening. They look brand new, the hoods, shifter levers have been changed to new ones and the brake lever has zero scratches and have been polished nicely. The seller also included 2 complete campagnolo cable sets with housing, as he had no time to sort those which are in the best condition, so he thought he could solve it simply by sending 2 and giving me the choice which are the cables that I want to use.

Still waiting for the cassette-chain, which will cost again 10 pounds shipped. And I also managed to buy a nice 3ttt stem instead of the old black mtb concept stem which I have currently, again, for 8 pounds, shippimg is expected by the end of this week. looks hundred times better than the black concept. : )

so, I still need some time, but finally it looks like I have everything what I'd need for the buildup. I unfortunately do not know what will be the size of the sprockets of the cassette, but I hope it"d be something like 12-13-14-15-16-18-21

well, I've consulted other Shimergo-builderz, got all of the necessary parts, still waiting for the delivery though. And I don't really mind that the FH-HG50 can only adopt sprockets which are 12t or larger, as I'm having a 12-22 cassette now, and in the 40% of the time, I don't even need the smallest sprocket. Thereby, anything that the freewheel body of that sort can take will be adequate.

I have a mate who's using currently some FH-6402 rear hubs, and as I recall, that has the same UG-HG system, but for 130 OLD, so it can take 8spd as well.

Anyway, I'll be the best off with 7 at the rear, as it should provide enough reliability, durability, I don't have to re-set the frame at the rear, won't have much of a difference between the chain line of a 7-6 spd system, and It'd be the cheapest.

In the end, this is my first ever road bike, and when I bought it I haven't had the idea that it has UG rear hub, so after all, whenever I'd like to sell it, I'll have bigger chance if I can offer it with HG-UG freewheel body.

Brand new campy mirages (well, not brand new, but rebuilt) with cables for less money than they ask for old, scratchy RSX levers.

I should use the config (well, I have to wait for the delivery-assembly it first) until it lasts. I've put more than 1000kms into the bike since I've bought it, and I'm looking forward to next summer : D : D

Well, one of my contacts just brought an eight speed campa group, mirage, with wheels-cassette-f-r derailleurs, crankset, bottom bracket, headset, pedals, brakes, ergos, everything, for 200 bucks. I just wanted to buy the ergos but the guy won't sell it separately, and offered me that in one week he would be able to get renovated rsx sti-s with ug cassette and chain, and perhaps also some vintage shimano 600 ultegra brakes (the guy has a lot of stuff, most of it he tries to sell it to native hungarians for almost free, then, if after 3-4 days nobody is interested, he just throws it to ebay for a little higher price )

are the rsx shifters would provide more reliability of the system and more precision than eg. old campagnolo mirages-veloces? The guy sounds reasonable, he in fact has some campagnolo wheelsets with cassette-tyres-tubes for sale for something like 60-80 euros.. so in thew end he might even convince me to go on an all-out change, but, as I stated, simply the ergos would be the choice for making the ride-shifting quicker and more comfortable without spending another fortune...

Although I'd agree on this, but I believe the shipping would cost more than the casette body itself, and I wouldn't want you to have an annoyance with the international shipping and so on? :-\ Keep in mind, that I live on Europe's mainland, not in the UK. Hungaristan.

I still firmly believe that I can easily fix the issue for now with a 7spd UG casette, with keeping only my small cogwheel, and later (few thousand miles later) I can just buy a whole new wheelset from rosebike. ? They build sets like F-R ultegra laced with DT competition spokes on mavic open pro wheels, and actually with 32 or 36 spokes, which is a must on road conditions like this. : )

And actually I still hope to be able to get HG freewheel body locally from some junk-pile of bikes. I just hate the end semestre exams, as it leaves little freetime, and I rather much spend that little with rides and sprints than with visiting second-hand shops and salvager's stores..

I'm also happy about after mentioning the hubbub and shimergo chimaeras on a native forum, I've got responses from people who actually ride with bikes built with working old shimmy-campy pairings, 7-8 speeds. =)

Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate your efforts and time. Thanks a lot.

Again I've found a poissible candidate as a freehub body donor.. Actually, I've used these once, old exage hubs, called FH-HG50, I think they're both U and HG compatible, with 130 mm OLD, so theoretically can adept 8 speed. Old Exage 500 hubs actually, I can get it (the whole hub) for 2 dollarz... (someone found it in his garage during tidying up)

I believe I can use these hubs to swap the FH bodies. Any opinions?

Oh... HAPPY NEW YEAR AND A LOT OF MILES OF CYCLING IN 2013 CHEEERZ UP

Unfortunately, I know that the conversion can be fairly easily made, not to mention, that it'd be cheap, but it's more fuzz to find a casette body donor than to simply re-lace the rims.

On the short tem, it cannot be easily managed, as one will also need a new casette, re-setup the rear derailleur, etcetc.

FOrtunately, everyone told me who have seen the frame that it'll easily accept 130 OLD hubs as well,so I guess that won't be much of an issue. I just simply still hesitate to do anything as long as I'm pleased with the smoothness and performance of the hubs,