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There is a comprehensive list of everything ant+ you could maybe use https://www.thisisant.com/directory

If you have an IOS device I recommend MapOut as you can drag your finger along any road, track, field to create a route.

PH wrote: ↑1 Dec 2024, 11:28pm
I find the idea that big supermarkets pay the same as a small butchers daft. Doesn't matter what the commodity is, if your buyer had that purchasing power and they couldn't get a better price than someone with a tiny fraction of it, you'd sack them.

I might even make the case a butcher could buy cheaper than the supermarket. How daft is that?
Buying deadweight on a contract, or bought on farm, then perhaps the big boys can get a good deal but that price offered is worked out from fatstock auction sales. The producer can at end of contract go back to selling at the auction, or if the buyer is on the farm then he can just say no, he has that option.
Let’s go to the auction then;
I’ll speak predominantly about the beef trade, as I’d stand in there for an hour most Monday mornings. Woodheads (Morrisons) would usually be the one wanting the most. Other supermarkets requirements would depend on how short on numbers their bought dead/contract animals were.
The thing you notice mostly is the supermarket buyers are looking for uniformatity. If numbers are short they are bidding against each other. I used to play a game with myself when the beast came into the ring I’d predict who would buy it and what price. Depending on breed, weight, sex, conformation You can get quite skilled.
The real quality good top priced stuff is destined for farm shops and quality butchers and that is usually the stuff on display. There is also a poorer end of stock which needs to find a home, big supermarkets most certainly don’t want it, and that too goes to the smaller slaughterhouses where they can work with the non uniformity and sell to their advantage.

pete75 wrote: ↑1 Dec 2024, 11:07am

PH wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 8:12pm [
The butcher I usually buy from can't buy pork or chicken for the price the supermarkets sell at. My local greengrocer no longer buys British asparagus, the customers wants it year round and the supplier wants a regular order. The food chain has gone wrong, farmers demonstrating about IHT isn't going to change anything that matters to me.

Why not? A relative who keeps cattle says butchers and supermarket meat buyers both bid for his cattle at the market. The same will go for pigs. In other words both pay similar prices for the meat.

Might be different in your neck of the woods but, for pigs, around here you’d first have to find an auction which sold them.
https://harrisonandhetherington.co.uk/sale-fixtures/
Also gone are the days a butcher bought his own stock they all have buyers. It can often be the same buyer buying for a butcher and smaller supermarkets. You’ll rarely learn the butchers identity as they are knocked down to buyers name plus a number.
One of the biggest cons are the champion and first prize cards often displayed in butchers shop. Go into the mart office at the end of a Christmas fatstock sale and as the buyers are sorting the paperwork there’s a stack of those certificates on the counter. Just help yourself

PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 1:49pm

Paulatic wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 1:08pm I often wonder if when we Brexited it might have been sensible to then go back to what we had before joining the EEC.
Marketing boards and guaranteed prices gave some certainty to the producer which is lacking in most sectors now.

Yep the big subsidies of those early days had pretty bad effects.
Far too many "ranched" sheep for one.

But the EU had changed quite a bit in it's direction later on.

Subsidy is a whole other factor in the issue, but give on one hand and take with another seems pretty silly (and wasteful).

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Did you see they are going to ease the tree cover planting requirements in Wales?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpdv3z7ej5po

In my early days with guaranteed prices a herd had 3-500 ewes and with headage payments I looked after >2000 ewes .
You reckon those early days were ranched! I disagree.

I often wonder if when we Brexited it might have been sensible to then go back to what we had before joining the EEC.
Marketing boards and guaranteed prices gave some certainty to the producer which is lacking in most sectors now.

Fit it without and if there’s play take it apart and fit the spacer.

slowster wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 8:50pm

Paulatic wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 8:34pm In the past on this site I could select some of the text then hit the quote button and only that selected was quoted. Not been able to do that for a number of years and currently it does make having to cut text from the quoted a pain to make it briefly what you are replying to.

You can still do it. Click on 'Post Reply' to generate a blank reply text box, scroll down to see recent thread posts, select and highlight the particular text you wish to quote, and then click on the quote button in that post.

Using Safari on IOS you can’t do it.
Following your instructions I selected 'you can still do it' from your post and ended up with what you see.

Edit Actually using DuckDuckGo at the moment but the same applies for Safari.

In the past on this site I could select some of the text then hit the quote button and only that selected was quoted. Not been able to do that for a number of years and currently it does make having to cut text from the quoted a pain to make it briefly what you are replying to.

Cowsham wrote: ↑26 Nov 2024, 6:42pm [
Yes pay the government money they want and have a smaller less viable farm -- that's very nifty what a great idea and then London guys can buy even cheaper ground and leave it to their children at just 20% iht -- aye brilliant idea my goodness what smart clever people we have in London why isn't everyone as clever as them boys?

I’m confused, a moment ago you were telling us this farm was big enough to attract IHT now you say loosing up to 20acre will make it unviable.
You’re also making the case that 20% isn’t enough to deter investors?
If you aren’t a farmer I reckon you should be.

Cowsham wrote: ↑26 Nov 2024, 1:46pm
It's widely accepted now that there's big problems with the government figures
https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fw ... s%2Fm2%2F4

You'll pay 10grand an acre minimum here.

20k a year for 10 years would be far too much for a lot of farmers to cough up and that's your low government estimate. A lot of small farms survive on less than minimum wage and many still paying off big debt for machinery.

Talking to many farmers around my neck of the woods I'm not surprised many small farmers around here are now thinking of throwing in the towel and selling up before the land prices plummet. I wouldn't blame them either.

Be fairer to say the figures are still being disputed.

Using your figures they could sell 20 acre to pay the bill and get on with life.

Kirkpatrick C2C meets all your criteria.

John Muir way might be another option but it’s not all on road and hardly a week's worth.

simonineaston wrote: ↑25 Nov 2024, 5:12pm A search made just now…IMG_0652.jpeg

They will be business sellers

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Seeing as you’ve gone as far east as Nottingham were you not tempted to take the ‘easy east coaster’ from there. https://cycle.travel/route/lejog_east_coast

I did it with one carrying a Barley bag no problem. The head got chewed on the second band.