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Anytime the sun is out for longer than an hour where I live, all I hear is this ruddy lawnmower being used all day.

When I say all day I mean all day.

How big is this guy's lawn?
How come he never gets tired?

More to the point, what makes someone think everyone else wants to hear a thing going BRRRRRRRRRR for hours on end?

If it is sunny tomorrow he will be out again doing it. You could have 15 sunny days in a row and he would be BRRRRRRRRR'ing on the 15th day just as much as he was on the first day, what a pillock.

The first proper sunny day we get, he is there instantly with a lawnmower and makes that noise all day, every day, until the end of summer. Last summer it was someone cutting sheet metal all day with a searing noise (almost certainly the same guy), all through summer, weeks and weeks it was, at least a lawnmower is a slight improvement over the hellish noise of sheets of metal being cut with power tools.

We need laws against this. Everyone in the vicinity has to listen to it all day long, I feel like I am having the day taken off me. What if I got a petition going lol... get every neighbour to sign and say look mate, its 68 to 1 so quit it. You do this every... single... summer, get a brain and have some respect for other people.

Sorry about all the duplicate posts but I have cracked it I think now. With whats pictured above, but it is only a mixture of SRAM and Shimano sprockets because I don't want to buy another cassette lol. You can just get a cassette from anywhere that sells them with those ratios in a HG50 and a PG850.

12-23t

12.13.14.15.17.19.21.23t

It should have a halo around it.

No 16t, no 18t either. The biggest jump (between 15-17) is 13.3% which, while not nice, isn't so bad it has me getting shirty on the bike. Looking at the numbers more, I noticed it only does have that one jump like that and with it not being that bad its worth losing the 16t to have the 12t. One thing I couldn't cope with was spinning out on that last 13t knowing a 12t would fix it and the 16t is making the smallest need to be a 13t.

After a lot of trial and error with ratios (including chainsets months back) its like this:

http://i.imgur.com/et5Qilq.png

If it is taking more than 7 years to open it, maybe it will take 7 years to close it.

Get the bolt cutters out.

If the law is more lapse for parking over a cycle lane than it would be if it was just a normal bit of road then they are winding up cyclists on purpose because you then have a road that was deemed dangerous enough to need a cycle lane, with cars parked in it that cyclists now have to ride around, that wouldn't be parked there if there was a double yellow line there which would be there were it not for the cycle path being there. Sir Humphrey Appleby eat your heart out.

I've only been hit once by a car and it was at literally 3 MPH. I was coming around a roundabout and thought "She's gonna pull out, SHE'S GOING TO..." and she did. Some cars just don't give way to cyclists on roundabouts. These days I just get off and walk around it or go through the subway if there is one. I hate roundabouts when driving, let alone trying to negotiate one on something going 12-14 MPH.

You're in a bike lane, you're not in a bike lane, you're now back in the bike lane, its gone again, here it is again, now you're back on the road.

If they could secretly make it more dangerous for cyclists, without it being obvious, would they do it?

Thats the point I am at.

What's the bottom line then 11-speed is dishing the wheel that bit too much?

With more dish, the DS spokes have to be shorter and tighter, making the NDS spokes need to be looser and longer. They have to be looser than a 10-speed to balance the tension out.

My NDS spokes came loose on me but that's on a 8-speed. Never came loose again after tightening. My tyre was well out of center in the dropout.

When your NDS spokes loosen, the spokes on the DS go nearer to the rear mech swingarm, in the lowest gear it could be the swingarm touches a spoke or two, or worse.

Caution: Road Signs Ahead

Just tried 13.14.15.16.17.19.21.26 and couldn't get on with the jump on the biggest 2 sprockets.

I use them more than I realized. I suppose the 26t could be replaced with a 23t but then I just have a straight (not customized) cassette again.

I am still spinning out on flats on 38x13 and shouldn't be on the 13t (cross chaining it), so I think going to a 12-23t is the best bet. It lets me cross chain "if need be".

I never needed the 26t really, it was just a nice thought but unless you leave out the 16t its not viable with that 21-26 jump.

12-23t is some sort of compromise, that will again not be able to have a 16t on it.

12.13.14.15.17.19.21.23

Biggest jump is 13.3% but, unavoidable.

You know what the really sick part is, I have got a 12-23t cassette here but it is a PG850 and I don't want to use it.

To save buying a HG50 12-23t cassette I am going to try mixing and matching the smallest three sprockets off the 12-23t SRAM. Its needed because of the lockring, I don't have a 12t Shimano one. It appears to be the right spacing, but I have not tried it yet.



12 - SRAM
13 - SRAM
14 - SRAM
15 - Shimano
17 - Shimano
19 - Shimano
21 - Shimano
23 - Shimano

Giving up the 16t now, to have the 12t.

I did miss having that 23 on the first hill from my house.

Mixing SRAM and Shimano, wish me luck. :p

If I was a cop and anyone reported anything to me, the first thing I would consider is "Has any harm or loss occurred?"

Its no use saying it "might" because the law doesn't work off "might". The moon might be made of cheese etc. Where does it end. You can't leave it down to individuals own interpretation hence why everything is covered with the "harm or loss" rule.

Things like this (guy on a mobile in his car) fall under Statute Law which is a collection of policies as opposed to being actual law, that's Common Law, where a "crime" takes place. Thing is someone has to be caused harm or loss for it to even constitute a crime, how many people know this stuff when they get pulled over.

I am at odds with the notion that you could be charged for "not" doing something. Neglecting your own children by "not" feeding them, OK there's one, but they are few and far between. Think, if it involves you getting done for NOT doing something, you're just being conned into paying a fine I think, you can't work off "not" because it cannot work. There's endless billions of things someone might "not" do! The whole thing (Statute Law) is held together by people's acquiescence and nothing more. It requires the consent of the governed but people choose to ignore this and go along to get along.

In actuality Statute Law is a crafty sales pitch using legalese to make you think you have to consent to it, when it is always your choice whether or not to. Take one Ben Linus, multiply by thousands and voila, you have the legal system. Well there's legal and lawful and there is a stark contrast between them. "Lawful" protects people from being harmed or robbed, legal covers every little thing they can fine you for and get away with it by making you think you need to do it. For example in legalese the word "MUST" means "may".

Simply asking a cop if he is acting under oath, or to quote you the law, stumps them. Become your own legal adviser. Realize there's a dual system happening and a scam going on.

Gave up in the end and just put the 19t Sora sprocket back on.

13.14.15.16.17.19.21.26

Now its rough on the 16t a little bit, but only because that one sprocket is newer.

So all it is then is a 13-26t with the 23t taken out, the 21/19/17 moved up one and the 16t fitted in the gap. Where the 23t came out, it just jumps more to the last sprocket from 21-26 instead of 23-26. I don't care as much about that as I do about gaining a 16t sprocket.

Having the 3rd to last sprocket 1 tooth bigger than I wanted isn't that bad and it being a 19t coming from a 17t isn't ideal, but not as bad as I would have to have it on a normal cassette jumping from 15t to 17t.

The main thing was adding the 16t, because it gives a worse jump from 15-17 than it does from 17-19. I mean if you have to go without one, its going to be the 18t, before going without the 16t.

Now I think it would be better with a 40t middle ring as opposed to 38t to help with not spinning out on 38x14t. Then it makes hills a bit harder but that's why the 26t is there. So it would go from 52-38-24 to a 52-40-24. Can't really afford to splash the cash for one yet but I will at some point, then flog the 38t for a tenner, its done under 500 miles. I am constantly changing the drivetrain around lol.

Cheers Brucey you always answer everything.

I tried it all four ways with the odd 18t MTB sprocket, nothing worked though as far as getting the sprockets to all run smooth at the same time.

1. All 3.0mm spacers (road spacers). Didn't work.
2. Two MTB spacers (3.16mm), one either side of the 18t. Didn't work.
3. One MTB spacer on the "high" side of the 18t. Didn't work.
4. One MTB spacer on the "low" side of the 18t. Didn't work.

The four different ways give varying results but none make it work smoothly.

I am just going to put the Sora 19t on and have done with it.

So its going to have to be:
13.14.15.16.17.19.21.26
- Instead of -
13.14.15.16.17.18.21.26

It wasn't all in vain, because I still have a custom cassette in that I have the 16t only normally found on a 13-23t but I have a 26t low sprocket only usually found on the 13-26t (that doesn't have a 16t).

Now maybe there's an old 105/Ultegra 8-speed 18t sprocket somewhere who knows, but its just not worth it to have a 18t in place of the 19t. In a way the 19t makes the jump from it to 21t less. Gotta look at the positives lol, but I can't believe that 18t is impossible to put in with the road sprockets.

For whatever reason it just can't be made to be uniform no matter how I swap the spacers around.

Now I hope you don't answer it because I am swapping it back to 8 road sprockets.

You'd need a photo of the guy on his phone with his number plate in view.

Urgh, ignore all that, I can see now looking at it, the thick spacer behind the 18t needs to be replaced with a thinner spacer and the thicker one in front of the 18t leaving there.

So then each sprocket on the cassette has the right spacer on top of it, as a rule. Add one sprocket, add one spacer.

A thicker spacer either side won't work, all thin spacers won't, one on the behind of the offending sprocket won't, it has to be one, in front of it (between 18t and 17t).

It will be a great setup if it eventually works.

Don't forget if you drive to Halford's to count the cost of petrol/diesel!

People say "its convenient" but most online retailers have free postage and something being the same price at Halford's isn't gonna be if you spent £2 on fuel. Its almost invariable that you'll have to pay more.

Cycling to Halford's for something with the wrong price on it, then maybe.

I must have bought 50 cycling components in the last 2 years and only once did Halford's have a cheaper one of something, the Park Tool BBT-22. Even then it was a really small difference, probably had the wrong price on it lol.