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by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 9:49pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

I am of the opinion that majority of people who looked at the facts sensibly will agree with you andrec. As one well passed his youthful bloom , I have witnessed the negative ?destructive effect our membership of the EU on basic industries . Forty years of gravy train for Brussels compared with one...
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 7:15pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

It's dream come true. Even four years ago it seemed impossible. The bad things about Brexit are these 1. the way it has revealed that some people are capable of such a degree of devotion to a political project, and that's a bit scary 2. how it has caused those people to reveal just what they think ...
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 6:46pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

I did love Boris Johnson berating his opponents on the basis that we'll still have drinking water post Brexit.

""Brexit (TM): Even better than cholera!!"
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 1:33pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

andrec wrote:After the way they ignored the Leave side for 41 years they can expect little sympathy from them while they endure this.


The spirit of mutual understanding, compromise, and national unity continues to be strong in the leave camp.
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 1:25pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

I still think leavers would be against this idea as in their view democracy stopped at the time of the first vote, anything else is against the will of the people. I agree with this, but also actually agree that there are principled reasons to oppose a 2nd ref. The problem is that the collision of ...
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 12:54pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

We voted to leave the EU, the government said it would honour our wish, and continues to do so. If no deal is possible with the EU then it's fairly obvious that we have to leave with no deal. The promise to leave was unconditional, not conditional on the EU agreeing to terms and conditions it likes...
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 12:23pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

You mean all those lorries carrying imports from the EU won't get through and all the people in the EU whose living depends on them will happily accept the consequences such as unemployment? We'll see. Everyone will manage. The apocalyptic predictions of the more excitable Remainers can safely be i...
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 11:27am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Except freight through the ports? You mean all those lorries carrying imports from the EU won't get through and all the people in the EU whose living depends on them will happily accept the consequences such as unemployment? We'll see. Everyone will manage. The apocalyptic predictions of the more e...
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 9:29am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Well done. You addressed the point I was making. Nice to have a civilised debate, isn't it? For me, we need to come closer to equalising immigration and emigration. And no, I have not heard one politician of any complexion suggest a well thought out strategy for this. It requires more than just lea...
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 9:04am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Obviously it's not completely true, by making the UK a worse place to live and promoting racism we have managed to have some effect on immigration so I guess in that sense brexit has achieved that although I personally don't see rising hate in quite the same way as some folk obviously do. Net migra...
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 9:00am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

You have missed out one stage in the rise of Europe as an issue in UK politics. I suspect the crucial change was the dramatic rise in immigration from the EU, which came to far exceed emigration, and fuelled a threat to Conservative parliamentary seats. The driver was more the migration figures rat...
by roubaixtuesday
10 Jul 2019, 6:49am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

The issue has always been an important one to many people. The increasing success of UKIP in the European elections showed us that, as they were elections which those people treated as a single issue ones, that issue being EU membership. I can find no evidence for this whatever. As late as 2014 onl...
by roubaixtuesday
9 Jul 2019, 7:24pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

If only our politicians had gone out over the years and done this then they wouldn't have been so surprised at the result of the 2016 people's vote. The European Union was way down on most peoples issues prior to the referendum being called. It hardly figured, except amongst the political elite. Go...
by roubaixtuesday
9 Jul 2019, 5:47pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Are people's political views so fragile they'll throw away their beliefs of years over a single issue? Yes, in spades: Most Conservative members would see party destroyed to achieve Brexit https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-des...
by roubaixtuesday
9 Jul 2019, 3:37pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'
Replies: 17501
Views: 423246

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

The future will decide if the most basic act of democracy is legally binding or not. The UK wants more democracy, The EU wants less, hence all the trouble we have - past, present and future. Of course, that's why Brexiters are agin a 2nd vote. Because they want more democracy. Makes perfect sense. ...