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by busaste
16 Nov 2010, 8:58am
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Topic: Viscount bicycles!!
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PW wrote:The brakes are obviously re-badged, are they Weinmann or the Shimano Tourney? My old Deore 18AX was the latter.
Beautiful paint job, those rear dropouts bring back memories.


The brakes were made for Lambert Cycles by an English company called Copal Foundries Limited. They were pretty blatant copies of Weinmann centre pulls! Originally the brakes had a Lambert sticker on but under Viscount they were simply re badged. The casting of the brake components was done using a 'gravair' process. The alloy was an interesting mix of substances typical of those used in the Aerospace industry.

The paint is all factory stuff. Lambert and Viscount paintwork was all powder coated at the factory. At the time they were the only company in the UK (and possibly any where else too) to do it.

My Aerospace Sport was made at the Bilston factory in 1976. The Deore 18AX was one of the last Viscounts to be made being a product of the ill fated Potters Bar factory. Great bike and much better than a Dawes Galaxy (cheaper too if I remember).
by busaste
15 Nov 2010, 7:08pm
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Topic: Viscount bicycles!!
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Finished stripping, cleaning, rebuilding my Aerospace Sport. With the exception of the RD cable it is unchanged since 1976!!!!

I LOVE IT!!!!

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by busaste
14 Nov 2010, 2:29pm
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Topic: Viscount bicycles!!
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Check out this beauty on Craigslist: http://littlerock.craigslist.org/bik/2058735001.html

Just $125.

You guys in the USA are so lucky. There are Viscounts everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!
by busaste
14 Nov 2010, 2:07pm
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Goldie wrote:Thanks Busaste! I thought (and hoped) it was an Aerospace Pro. It has Lambert quick release skewers on the wheels, the hubs are engraved "Vscount" rather than Lambert and they're laced to alloy Weinmann rims - I haven't deflated a tyre to check whether they're tubs or not yet.

I'm building this up with the aim of making it my main road road, and I want to keep it as close to the spec listed in the catalogue included elsewhere in this thread as possible.

I've started to clean and polish in earnest, and collect missing bits and bobs - I've got new cloth bar tape, inner and outer cables, chrome cable ties, toe clips and Fibrax brake blocks. You might be able to see from the pictures that the decals that seperate the blue band on the seatpost from the silver base colour are worn on my bike. If anyone has any of these, I'd be really pleased to here from you. Ditto the half hoods for the brakes.

I'm torn as to whether to add the Aerospace Pro stickers - on one hand, I'd like to let people know what the bike is, but on the other it doesn't apear to have had them previously, and I'd thinking keep it original.

Anyway, here's a photo of the bike as it is currently. Frame has been cut and polished, as have the rims, hubs, forks and stem. The Crane derailleur has cleaned up beautifully with a squirt of degreaser - it really is a beautiful looking thing, especially compared with the more modern Shimano derailleurs that've passed through my hands (SIS :wink: )

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Hi

I have new and original Aerospace Pro (my LAST set), seat tube band and crank arm stickers (yours appear to be missing - see below).

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Yours for £12 plus postage.

Your bike will definitely have had the Aerospace Pro stickers on the top tube. It's surprising how many old Viscounts have lost them. But then again, perhaps it is not a surprise as they were unlacquerd and easily caught by the legs when you are up on the bars pedaling hard.
by busaste
1 Nov 2010, 10:41pm
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Topic: Viscount bicycles!!
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Bheleu wrote:Here's some photos from the one I picked up off of craigslist. I think it's a 1976 Aerospace Sport??? Please confirm. Thanks!
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Hi

You have a Viscount Aerospace GP of 1974 - 1976 vintage. Looks to be VERY original too. Saddle, brake blocks and brake hoods (the originals were unbranded British made 'half' hoods) appear to be the only non original parts! The frame is missing its down tube and top tube stickers. I think I have originals of these if you are interested. Provenance of these is 100% original. I got them off the man who designed them - Rex Martin, a former Viscount employee.

I suspect yours is an earlier GP because it has the Copal Foundries made deep drop Maes pattern handle bars which were soon phased out.

What a gorgeous bike!!!

Watch those 'V' branded pedal dust caps don't come out! You would be amazed how many just fall out. Finding replacement ones is nigh on impossible too. It is very rare to see a Viscount with its pedal dust caps still in place.
by busaste
31 Oct 2010, 8:28pm
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Goldie wrote:Right, here we go. A fair bit of the bike is still in a cardboard box in the cellar, but I stuck the frame, fork and wheels together so I could move it and stand it up without scratching the paint! It was, it's fair to say, love at first sight:

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You have a Viscount Aerospace Pro of 1975 - 1976 vintage. It looks like the 'Aerospace Pro' sticker is missing from the top frame tube. I can get you these if you need them. The blue paint highlights on the frame were on those Aerospace Pro's fitted with wheels for tubs. 'Pro's with black paint highlights on the frame were fitted with wheels for clinchers. All other parts were the same. The Viscount Aerospace Pro first appeared in 1974 and always was Viscount's top of the range model until its demise in 1979. The first 1974 models can be identified by their quick release wheel skewers with 'Lambert' on and 'Lambert' was usually stamped in the middle of the wheel hubs. However this was not always the case! Interestingly, your 'Pro appears to have clinchers which makes me wonder if the factory turned the odd one out like this in response to customer demand.

The 'Pro was a very successful race bike in its day being used extensively by the Coventry Olympic Viscount race tam managed by Mick 'Iron Legs' Ives.

Even though yours is missing some of its parts it still looks fantastic!

By the way, I have a Aerospace pro frame for sale at the moment on the forum if any one is interested.

As the person who started this thread it is so pleasing to see all the interest generated in Viscounts. I never imagined it would run and run like this. 11 pages of posts so far!!!!!!!!

Long live the Viscounts...
by busaste
19 Sep 2010, 5:58pm
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Topic: Viscount bicycles!!
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Re: Viscount bicycles!!

DAV1D wrote:Has anyone heard of a Viscount Corsair Tourer? I can't find any info on this model on the net, is it a real Viscount model?


Hmmm. Not sure. I have sales brochures for every year Viscount made bicycles (1974 - 1982) except 1979 and 1980. Perhaps the Corsair was made in these years? It is definitely not listed in any other years brochures.
by busaste
14 Sep 2010, 8:39pm
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Topic: Viscount bicycles!!
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Re: Viscount bicycles!!

cyclingthelakes wrote:Just adding on, another thing that might look good on a t-shirt might be the big "V" that the nuts or caps have. Somehow too, I got one of those kinds of caps/nuts on brakes that I got long ago and not sure where (edit on: did not someone make "Vainqueur" brakes? That is what they may be). Of course, Raleigh has the big "R" on a lot of theirs http://www.raleigh-katsaris.com/uploade ... 9-big1.JPG like these, both companies had red ones of what I've seen. The big V would have a sharp appearance but many people might not know what it was. Of course, the crank dust covers, maybe pedals covers are similar too.

Viscount and then Aerospace might look nice too on a t.


The early Aerospace bikes (Pro, GP, Sport) were festooned with those little white 'v's on a red background. They were on:
Pedal dust caps
Brake pivot bolt heads
Nut on seat pinch bolt
Handlebar stem pinch bolt
Quick release skewers

Viscount actually got the idea of their predecessors, Lambert. The white 'L' on a blue background was swapped for a white 'V' on red.

I love these fittings which have a cool 70s look.
by busaste
14 Sep 2010, 8:32pm
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jdwertz wrote:thanks for the response. bearings are definetley on the list. But I am pretty sure the axle is at least cracking due to the fact when I pedal very hard I am hearing a clicking/metal rubbing noise coming from the BB area. I assume the roughness I am feeling when I pedal is the old bearings.


That sounds like a classic symptom of worn out BB bearings to me. It has happened to me in the past.
by busaste
12 Sep 2010, 8:59pm
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Topic: Viscount bicycles!!
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Re: Viscount bicycles!!

jdwertz wrote:certainly does thanks. What would be the easiest option for someone new like me? Also can you recommend some decent road tires?

thanks!


Well, from what you say it looks like your BB axle has not broken which is good news. In that case hang onto it!!! I am running original Viscount BB axles that are 30+ years old and they are fine. The Viscount BB spindle frailty reputation appears to have no real basis in fact as is typical of these Viscount reputations. So it looks like, at most, you will just need to replace the BB cartridge bearings. Off with the cranks using a puller tool and then turn the spindle by hand to feel for any roughness. If they are shot my advice is to take the bike to your LBS - it is an easy job for a good mechanic and the cartridge bearings are readily available being a common size.
Speaking of parts frailty, consider this. A friend of mine has broken 12 cranks/BB axles over the years. They were mostly Campag Record and Shimano Dura Ace; highly regarded parts in the cycling world. Do these parts though have a reputation for fragility? By comparison when my mate used to race Viscounts (road and cycle cross) in the 1970's (and commuted to work on the same bikes which was some achievement as it added up to 500 miles/week!) neither he or his team mates ever broke a single Viscount crank/BB axle. Yes some Viscount BB axles have broken but in nothing like the quantities required to deserve a reputation. But then, that also applied to the 'death fork'. Poor Viscount...
Let me know how you get on.
by busaste
10 Sep 2010, 9:03pm
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Re: Viscount bicycles!!

jdwertz wrote:just bought my very first road bike to use for cross training during and after the swim season. So far I have put a few hundred miles on her. I am pretty new at this so I hoped you guys could help me out. I am pretty sure it needs new bearing and a crankset axle, as I have heard they are prone to failure. I found a good source of what to buy online, 123mm Shimano tapered Phil wood axle. Can anyone point me in the right direction on where I could buy this? I already found the proper bearings, I believe. Also need to be some new tires, popped one the other day :x
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Nice Aerospace Pro which does not have its 'death fork'. The Phil Wood axles occasionally turn up on Ebay or try Harris Cyclery in PA. They are getting hard to find these days! Some thoughts on Viscount's BB axle:

What taper you choose depends on the crank you have or want to get. The Viscount crank will go on a JIS taper but it is not easy to get it to sit square on the axle(see below). Probably better to stick with ISO taper if you have a Viscount crank to reuse.

Check this Viscount/Phil Wood conversion: http://bikecult.com/works/parts/bbViscount.html

Also there is another option. Have a look at this particularly the bit that says: "Cooks also make a press-in version for older Fat Chance or Klein frames, in fact Cooks is the only one to make a good aftermarket replacement for these" The weblink is: http://www.bikepro.com/products/bottom_ ... cooks.html

And here is another option: http://www.bikepro.com/products/bottom_ ... white.html

Here is another option: http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/ebwPNLq ... 151c003226

Also, old Klein spindles are still out there. I used one on one of my Aerospace Pros but it messed up the chainline when used in conjunction with offset chain rings (Shimano 600 'Arabesque'). The Klein is 123mm long, 17mm diameter and has a JIS taper. A nice quality part. Good for at least 100,000 miles but you do need to use a crank which has no chain ring offset e.g. Sugino Maxy, SR Apex and of course Viscount's own 'porthole' design.

This is the Loctite to use with a Klein BB spindle (there are no circlip grooves!): http://www.amazon.com/Loctite-Strength- ... B000FN0UPW

Viscount actually made 4 different bottom bracket spindles for the Aerospace frames! The most commonly used spindle had an ISO taper and was recognizable by having 3 grooves machined in it (2 on one side). This spindle accepted Viscount cranks (TA copy, made in England by Copel Foundries) and very early Shimano, Sugino, SR Apex ones too, although getting the last three to sit square on the spindle is harder than building a space shuttle. Whilst drunk. I managed it by fully tightening up the crank/chain rings as normal, locating where it was not sat square and hitting it hard from the back of the chain rings to literally force it back into position, square on the crank. It took me an hour but it eventually sat just nice. If your Viscount has an original spindle with 2 machined grooves you have been lucky. That was intended for JIS taper cranks!!

You can have the BB shell tapped out to take an Italian thread. You can then fit a cartridge BB unit. Easy!!

Argos Cycles used to do a service which involved fitting an insert into the BB shell which was threaded enabling the fitment of an English thread BB or modern cartridge unit. Don't know if they still do it. A guy called Doug Pinkerton also does something similar. He can be contactd through the Veteran Cycle Club.

If you don't reuse the Viscount cranks and chain rings don't sell them. They are becoming quite collectible!

Hope all this helps.
by busaste
22 Aug 2010, 10:49am
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Topic: Viscount bicycles!!
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triitout wrote:Just looked up fork recalls on the Consumer Product Safety Commission website, U.S. (for fun?). Amazed to see some big names like Cervelo, Giant and most recently Felt with fork failures/recalls. Makes you wonder since they're not shutting down anytime soon. In a way I guess Viscount was again ahead of its time!


Good point!
I have never really understood why the 'Death Fork' legend has persisted for so long. As you point out there are other companies who have produced 'death forks' but there seems no willingness amongst the cycling community to unfairly tarnish these companies with such a reputation. For my own amusement - and to test the cycling cognoscenti - I recently took great pleasure when looking at a £2000+ Cervelo frame proudly displayed in my LBS by remarking, "Oh Cervelo, they make death fork don't they?". By the looks on people's faces you would think that I had just denied the existence of the holocaust. It seems that poor Viscount will always have to carry the stigma of the death fork maker. Even more ironic is the fact that the mark 3 version of the death fork has proved to be pretty tough. There are loads of them still around after 30+ years of use.
Funny old world.
by busaste
19 Aug 2010, 10:59am
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triitout wrote:Hi all, After I rebuilt my blue Viscount Gran Touring (see Dec 26, 2009), I got the bug to find another one with all the origional parts. I took delivery on a 1975 Aerospace G.P. from Craigs list last week that fit the bill. The origional owner rode it maybe four times and kept it pretty close to new condition with only a few minor frame scratches. It only took some minor adjustment to get it road ready. I swapped out the short Birmalux seat post for a 350mm, put a new/old seat on, and swapped out one of the non-locking Lambert Q/R levers for a safer one. The origional owner had replaced the tubes and matched up new handlebar tape. All these parts will saved. Rode it today for the first time and it was very smooth. I do have to get used to the friction shifters! Here is a list of the parts: Shimano Titalist rear and Shimano GTO Thunderline front derailliurs, Birmalux alloy rims and seatpost, Lambert toeclips, straps and Q/R levers, Viscount brakes headset, hubs, crank, and pedals, IRC tires and Gen 3 aluminum fork. I'd like to touch up the scratches if I figure out how without messing it up. I know Busate will enjoy this one! Here are some pictures.
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Wow! Classic Aerospace GP in amazing very original condition!!!!!!!!!! Hasn't it cleaned up well? It is so satisfying to see these superb Viscounts being cherished and saved from the crusher!

One thing I have recently discovered - although it is probably well known out there - is a great product called Scotchbrite. Their fine grade abrasive pads used in combination with a good metal polish (e.g. Solvol Autosol) are perfect for shining up the rustless spokes used on old Viscount Aerospace wheels.

We need much more of this. Let's keep this thread going!

Happy restoring/pedalling
by busaste
20 Jul 2010, 9:32pm
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tompatterson wrote:I note Youtube has a lot of bike videos, someone should make a viscount video! I might be able to at some point in the future.

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That's it! I have toyed with this idea over the last year - I'm now gonna do a 'walk around' video of some of my Viscounts. A kind of 'spotters guide'

Will come back when it is done/loaded!
by busaste
12 Jul 2010, 9:17pm
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lebleup wrote:busaste ,

I have a Viscount I purchased a while ago and am just in the beginnings of cleaning it up and preparing it for use. I've ridden it in its current state and can tell it is something special. Here's a link to the Viscount. http://s741.photobucket.com/albums/xx59 ... /Viscount/

Is it possible to get your expert input on this beauty I am excited about riding once cleaned up and set to go? I have read so much about the "death fork" but never a solid...'YES..I KNOW SOMEONE WHO'S VISCOUNT FORK SPLIT AND THUS' this or that.

Can you tell by the photos if this fork is a "Death Fork" ? Are these original vintage parts? What is the approx year?

Thanks for your insite!


Hi

You have an amazingly original 1975 Viscount Aerospace GP. Lucky man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a USA market GP as confirmed by the black plastic cover on the right hand chain stay. The 'GP' was the second highest spec model in Viscount's range below the Aerospace Pro.

VERY original it is too even down to the death fork. It is more than likely a mark 3 Viscount death fork which is much stronger than the earlier Lambert one. The attachment gives more details on the death fork. I do not know of any death fork failures and I know people who raced on them in cyclo cross! According to Yamaha's original fork recall for the USA 30 failures were recorded out of 30,000+ sold. Sheldon Brown recommended that a death fork equipped Viscount should not be ridden. I have 3 heavily used/crashed death forks and they are all fine. As always, it is your call.

As far as I can tell from your photos, the only non original parts are:
Red bar tape (should be black cloth)
Rear hub (looks to a French Maillard but photos of the left side of the bike would be a big help in confirming what you have)
Handle bar stem bolt - it should be a recessed allen bolt (I think I have spares of these)
Rear spoke protector (they did not have one)

Your frame's top tube should have an 'Aerospace GP' sticker on each side. I think I have spares of these.

Your right hand pedal is missing its dust cap. See attachment below for what these should look like.

So, polish it, love it and ride!!!

Classic Viscount.

Steve