fatboy wrote:I use brifters so ramp and pinless won't work for me.
From my experience they work fine. In the late 90s I raced on a bike equipped with Dura-Ace 9-speed, but I felt that the 53t chainring was bigger than I needed in the Masters 5 category, so I replaced it with an unramped/unpinned 49t ring, and didn't notice that the front shifting was any worse.
And I presently have one bike using SRAM Force 22 shifters and derailleurs, but the chainset is an NOS Shimano Deore touring from the early 1980s that is running rampless/pinless TA Cyclotouriste chainrings, and no problems with the front shifting there either.

