Cycling UK Forum

reohn2 wrote:

Ben@Forest wrote:

Cyclewala wrote:It's becoming rarer though it still happens. The Indo Pak culture, being very paternalistic, has men making rules for the interest of men. And if you, as a woman are born and raised there, you know no different, so accept the rules.

An Asian women born and raised in the West will think and act more independent. For those men who want a subservient wife, they will get a bride from 'back home'.

Another reason, specifically in the Pakistani community, that it happens is the very high rate of first cousin marriage, which is legal but in the general British population is less than 1%.

Below is from Wiki but you'll easily find more about this, including medical studies in Pakistan.

The debate has been prompted by a Pakistani immigrant population making up 1.5% of the British population, of whom about 50–70% marry a first cousin.

I was unaware of that.

Yes, Pakistanis have a greater tendency to marry first cousins. Most of this originates from the feudal system of keeping assets, usually land, within the family. Sort of protecting the family worth.

It's beginning to wane amongst generation 3 of British Pakistanis as their thinking is more in tune with mainstream Western culture.

Vorpal wrote:

Cyclewala wrote:
It's becoming rarer though it still happens. The Indo Pak culture, being very paternalistic, has men making rules for the interest of men. And if you, as a woman are born and raised there, you know no different, so accept the rules.

Indian and Pakistani cultures are very different, even if they have some things in common, especially from a Western perspective. Lumping them together is rather like lumping British in with the continent, and saying 'European culture', as if relationships in Italy are conducted the same way as relationships in Norway.

p.s. as for women accepting the rules, India and Pakistan both have some very strong feminist movements.

They were one country until 70 years ago and still share common history, language, food and popular culture.

The feminist movements you allude to are in the big urban centres. Not in the rural areas where women play a secondary role to men, often willingly because that's all they know.

reohn2 wrote:

Ben@Forest wrote:

reohn2 wrote:I'm aware that some first generation ethnic people,particularly the women,don't speak English which limits their integration and is more than likely a cultural attitude toward women,but I think this is dying out as each generation passess.
What might seem like parallel lives is a preservation of their particular culture,which I have no problem with so long as it breaks no UK law.

That is an issue that is not going away quickly because parts of the Pakistani community in particular have a practice of marrying brides from 'home' so the first generation influence, and inability to speak English and integrate is always present. It is not limited to one nationality of course, l knew a Cypriot Greek whose mother spoke no English despite 20 or more years here.

I don't think it's as widespread as you think,I'd need some sound evidence and stats before accepting it.

It's becoming rarer though it still happens. The Indo Pak culture, being very paternalistic, has men making rules for the interest of men. And if you, as a woman are born and raised there, you know no different, so accept the rules.

An Asian women born and raised in the West will think and act more independent. For those men who want a subservient wife, they will get a bride from 'back home'.

Back to cycling? Well they don't ride bikes for transport as that's what poor people do. They don't ride bikes for leisure as a) it's hard and b) nobody else does it so they don't wish to stand out.

Asians partaking in sport fit into three camps a) cricket (older generation) and b) football (younger generation) and c) weightlifting (vanity reasons).

I have a couple of kickstands not being used. Would be happy to post them both to you for about £4.

One is from Lidl and looks just like the Hebie linked to above, except it only has four bolts around the chainstay. There is no secondary fitting at the seat stay.

The other one fits in the small section in front of the back wheel i.e. bolt comes from underneath and clamps against the two chanstays. When not being used, it sits parallel to and under the chainstay. I used this briefly with old inner tubes providing protection to the chainstay.

Both have full fittings. Both were very secure, but I was always nervous of damaging the chainstays.

Personally, if I was to get another kick stand, I'd lean towards the folding one that resembles a long pole when opened and supports at the top tube.

Edit: it's called Click-Stand.

Thanks all for the input.

The rack came with a tourer I bought about 8 years ago. But I only ever used rear panniers so it's been languishing in the garage.

At some point I intend to carry 4 panniers and hence the question. I take Brucey's point that whilst it won't lean into the front wheel, I can see it putting undue pressure on the mid-fork mount.

The Tubus Tara looks appealing.

My understanding is the second horizontal strut, that attaches to the wheel-side of the fork, acts to prevent it swinging with panniers.

Like Hamster, I thought it was just those that had one strut on the outside of the fork that were troublesome.

I recall a thread a while back where CJ advised that front racks without over-the-wheel hoop could bend into the front wheel.

I have a Blackburn CL1 Low Rider front rack as pictured. I'm pretty sure this style was/is deemed safe as it mounts both sides of the fork. Am I right?

I once heard someone say they'd rather share their wife than their bike.

Jamesh wrote:Does anyone know the durability of these saddles.

Looks like a composite construction of fabric, mesh and leather rather than a pure leather saddle of brooks or spa type.

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/selle-it ... addle-yet/

Cheers James

Done about 2,000 miles on the commuter. Was very stiff in the first 300 miles, but been brilliant since. I am a heavy rider so, the breaking in period may be longer for someone lighter.

The three layered construction is meant to strengthen the leather and reduce sagging. The rails are longer than Brooks and allow more horizontal adjustment.

I prefer the B17 on the tourer and the road bike as I do longer rides on these. If I didn't have the B17s, I'd have no problem putting the Mitica on the road bike.

The surface on mine is showing small wrinkles around the sit bones area. If didn't know they had a three layered construction, I wouldn't recognise this from looking at the saddle as it's well made and there is no parting of the layers.

I've not needed to adjust the tension yet, which I had to do on both the B17s by 2,000 miles.

pedalsheep wrote:

Cyclewala wrote:It doesn't compare. It's their version of the Brooks Swallow.

I have one and two B17s. It's got a wide perch for the sit bones and then narrows quite suddenly. The B17 narrows gradually and suits a more upright position.

The Mitica is for slightly more enthusiastic riding. I have it on the commuter, so an hour each way. Very comfortable, and no reason why I couldn't do a century on it.

Took a little longer to break-in than the B17.

If you want the Selle version of the B17, look at the Epoca.

Thanks cyclewalla. Planet X have them at a knockdown price at the moment but if it's more like a Swallow than a B17 I think I'll pass.

They're also selling the Epoca saddle for the same price. That is the equivalent of a B17. Cracking price that.

Here the link:

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/SASIEP/se ... oca-saddle

Indeed. I should have opened by saying it's not comparing like for like.

Good saddles and despite the online speculation they're a re-badged Taiwanese product, the box on mine says Made it Italy.

It doesn't compare. It's their version of the Brooks Swallow.

I have one and two B17s. It's got a wide perch for the sit bones and then narrows quite suddenly. The B17 narrows gradually and suits a more upright position.

The Mitica is for slightly more enthusiastic riding. I have it on the commuter, so an hour each way. Very comfortable, and no reason why I couldn't do a century on it.

Took a little longer to break-in than the B17.

If you want the Selle version of the B17, look at the Epoca.

Yes, though going from 30 to 32 is not much of an improvement in lowest gear.

Deore is a mountain groupset and I think you can usually go as low as 36 teeth in those.

In preparation for this, a decent segregated cycle route exists along Canal road - completed last summer. It runs from the city centre to Shipley. The first section runs behind Tesco and along the railway line to Queen's Road. Then through Hillam Road. Once it gets to Arnold Laver, you cross the road and there is a paved Greenway that runs to Shipley nr the viaduct across Leeds Old Road.

The proposal will be to make Canal Road to 4 lanes of motoring traffic from Shipley to town.

The A650 will have a segregated cycleway that mirrors what they did along the railway line.

You sound like me when I haven't ridden for a few days or if suffering from a light cold.

Our body produces mucus for good reasons but sometimes over does it, i.e. during a cold. Mucus reduces the capacity of the airways making breathing more difficult. So, as long you've no other conditions, it's likely your lungs are clearing the congestion.

If you were to do the same road tomorrow, chances are the lungs might not strain so much as the passageways have been cleared.