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by TonyR
4 Mar 2016, 5:08am
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club
Replies: 703
Views: 349747

Re: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club

PH wrote:I don't disagree with that, maybe they already know, maybe as part of the Grand Plan there's an acceptance of a high member turnover, I don't know what it's been historically? Maybe they know that the members they're loosing are expecting more member benefits and the ones they're recruiting to replace them are easier to satisfy. Maybe they know more than us or maybe they haven't a clue and it's all random. Either way it simply isn't true to say they're disinterested in membership on the grounds that we don't know how they regard the turnover.


Personally I dislike the organisations who start questioning you about why you are leaving and persuading you to change your mind. My daughters exploit it with their phone companies knowing that they will get all sorts of offers thrown at them not to leave but for everyone else its just wearing.

I suspect also the majority of membership churn is by non-renewal not cancellation and those that are cancelling are predominantly those where the member had died or been taken ill, or for personal financial circumstances. And perhaps they've learnt that the rest they've upset in some way and who want the chance to rant at the CTC. But given the way they rant on and on about it on here long after they've left perhaps they've learnt its better not to open that door. :wink:
by TonyR
3 Mar 2016, 7:19pm
Forum: Campaigning & Public Policy
Topic: Obstructing a bridlepath - with a new building !
Replies: 26
Views: 2190

Re: Obstructing a bridlepath - with a new building !

In the meantime I believe you are totally within your rights to knock on the door of the new building and ask to be let through on the PRoW even if it might mean climbing out a window on the other side.
by TonyR
3 Mar 2016, 11:41am
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club
Replies: 703
Views: 349747

Re: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club

Psamathe wrote:I personally can't see why that matters. CTC seems disinterested in membership so I assume the main thrust of their focus is for grants from government (though how they will campaign for changes to government policy with such grants might face difficulties in future). But without a "membership" and without being a "club" why worry how many acronyms Acronym Finder has.


Because its all about reaching out to get more people cycling? The grants are just a way of financing that reach out, not an end in themselves. And how do you reach out to people when your name is non-obvious to them and, if you take the trouble to Google it, doesn't look relevant to the sort of cycling they are likely to do?



Again I would not agree. I don't think people associate the word "Charity" as being something you "donate to others". Most of our MPs were educated by "charities" (Public School). I'm a member of several clubs and organisations that are "charities" and I get a lot from them, we have AGMs, members are consulted and have their say, etc. I think the "donate to others" is a rather old fashioned interpretation.


And how many public schools and other charities headline themselves as charities? Most organisations that are, and there are plenty of them, keep the Charity word mostly under wraps unless they are trying to get their donors to tick the Gift Aid box.
by TonyR
3 Mar 2016, 7:56am
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club
Replies: 703
Views: 349747

Re: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club

Bicycler wrote:To be fair, if we're comparing brandings we should really be comparing 'CTC - The National Cycling Charity' with 'Cycling UK'. I'd say that the former provides more information but is more cumbersome. The major problem with 'Cycling UK' is that it is a synonym of 'British Cycling'.


The problem with CTC - The National Cycling Charity is two-fold. First CTC means nothing to most people. Acronym Finder has 224 different meanings for CTC of which one is cycling.

Second, the National Cycling Charity makes it sound like it something you donate to to help others, not something that is relevant to yourself, because of the Charity label. You don't find the YHA calling itself the National Youth Accommodation Charity or the Scouts the National Youth Activity Charity. The Charity structure is helpful financially but not as a marketing tool because of the connotations.
by TonyR
2 Mar 2016, 6:46pm
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: The Petition - DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB
Replies: 19
Views: 2455

Re: The Petition - DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

Psamathe wrote:
Philip Benstead wrote:
landsurfer wrote:Philip, you need to get an on line petition set-up.
There must be some one on here who supports your petition, like myself, who can set it up. Even Facebook would do, a lot of the GOM on here may not have Facebook but have family who do. Like myself.


I sent this email to CTC Legal Advisor, I obtain automatic reply but no other reply. IMHO I suspect CTC HQ wish to hinder me as much as they can?
...

CTC don't answer e-mail. When I was a member and e-mailed them about things (including volunteering) they didn't replay. they are a complete disaster in this regard (rather rude as well).

Ian


It doesn't matter. The petition needs 200 signatures to be effective. It makes no difference whether its 201 signatures or 20,001. PB tells us he has those so the process is triggered if he sends them in. More signatures make no difference, its just a triggering process, not a vote.

The Mem and Arts are then quite clear. The vote is carried out by means of a voting slip included in the next but one issue of Cycle. That has to be a physical voting slip, not an online one. And I can fully understand why as not all members have access to or know how to do things online and could be disenfranchised by online voting.
by TonyR
2 Mar 2016, 4:04pm
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club
Replies: 703
Views: 349747

Re: It's all in the name - Cyclists' TOURING club

Philip Benstead wrote:Then Join the Cyclists Touring Club, the cyclists' champion, since 1878


Excuse me. Its the Cyclists' Touring Club since 1883 or the Bicycle Touring Club since 1878. :roll:
by TonyR
2 Mar 2016, 3:26pm
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: Goodbye Tony Blackburn: Fall Guy
Replies: 149
Views: 7045

Re: Goodbye Tony Blackburn: Fall Guy

Vorpal wrote:Using that philosophy, we should close nurseries and play groups, as well; I'm sure those expose more children to that sort of harm than BBC programs do.


Its families we need to close down. Child abuse within the family massively outweighs that done by strangers.
by TonyR
1 Mar 2016, 9:22pm
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB
Replies: 249
Views: 122086

Re: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

Philip Benstead wrote:So I change my mind to any proposed name change and that the actual vote was taken when I was no longer on council.


The trouble is Philip, your recounting of events is consistently at odds with the actual records as with gaz's link to the ERS voting records which are completely counter to the story as you told it. So too here. The October 2015 Board minutes (when you were on Council and were present) record:

"After the presentation Paul Tuohy thanked everyone for their feed-back and reminded Council that agreement was needed that Campfire have captured the ‘essence’. That is the important point. Councillors agreed unanimously that Campfire had captured the ‘essence’."

http://www.ctc.org.uk/sites/default/fil ... 171015.pdf

No indication there that you were in disagreement with what was being proposed.

Now we can either concede that over several years despite strong objections from yourself, the minutes have been doctored as an untrue representation of the meetings, with the complicit involvement of all the other Councillors and the ERS or we can come to the other obvious conclusion.
by TonyR
1 Mar 2016, 10:16am
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB
Replies: 249
Views: 122086

Re: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

From the Council Minutes for January 2014:

The recommendation is to move to a self-explanatory name so it is obvious who CTC are and what we do. He felt the process has been very thorough, over 8,000 people have responded, on-line focus groups have taken place, we couldn’t do anymore to consult with our members.

...........

Motion:
Agree in principle to a trading name change. Take the necessary action to register and protect the name of National Cycling Association. To set up a new working group to carry out further work to look at the implementation and wider brand issues as well as any name change. To bring a report back to Council in April for approval.

Proposed by: Barry Flood Seconded by: Philip Benstead
Vote of above Motion:
In favour = 10 Against = 3 Abstained = 2
Motion Carried
by TonyR
1 Mar 2016, 8:24am
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB
Replies: 249
Views: 122086

Re: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

Philip Benstead wrote:I voted for rebrand not a change of name, please stop trying to mislead CTC members of my view.



"Rebranding is a marketing strategy in which a new name, term, symbol, design, or combination thereof is created for an established brand with the intention of developing a new, differentiated identity in the minds of consumers, investors, competitors, and other stakeholders"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebranding
by TonyR
1 Mar 2016, 5:45am
Forum: The Tea Shop
Topic: EU Ref...I Am Confused..Aren't You...
Replies: 1489
Views: 79729

Re: EU Ref...I Am Confused..Aren't You...

tyreon wrote:When I see the Top Table's sons and daughters at the font line,I might give fighting a thought,not till then.


Time to start thinking then.

Prince Harry - several tours of Afghanistan on the front line
Prince Andrew - helicopter pilot in the Falklands War.

plus many other members of the Royal Family
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar ... yal_Family
by TonyR
1 Mar 2016, 5:29am
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB
Replies: 249
Views: 122086

Re: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

AndyK wrote:I would have expected some wider consultation on the preliminary proposals, which were presumably worked through prior to October.


Read the minutes of the October meeting. Councillors (including PB) voted unanimously for the rebrand and

"The next stage is for Campfire to develop the creative brief and present back to the Leadership team."

Yes, many people knew a rebrand was being considered. Those who cared were doubtless sitting patiently expecting to be shown the options and consulted on them, because that's what happens in a membership organisation.


Were the membership ever consulted on previous rebrands? Do other organisations consult? Vide
https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/PDF/Bran ... 202013.pdf
https://staging.scouts.org.uk/documents ... 015%20.pdf

AFAIK the CTC has followed the standard approach of consulting with a representative sample of members in developing the new brand but not on the final decision.

Instead the planned timescale was designed to make sure it was a foregone conclusion, revealed too late for anyone outside of Council to object to the final choice or even ask what the alternatives were.


Brand changes are nearly always controversial exercises and consultation exercises are almost always a waste of time because most people don't understand branding and its purposes, instead seeing it as many here are doing, as just a logo. AIUI though the consultants did consult with a representative sample of the membership in developing the proposals
by TonyR
29 Feb 2016, 9:52pm
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB
Replies: 249
Views: 122086

Re: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

AndyK wrote:
TonyR wrote:
smuggers wrote:Not wanting to get involved in the rights & wrongs of the re-branding, I do think it's quite shocking that the majority of our club members, knew nothing about the change of name at our clubroom slideshow last Thursday.. This cant be right & some of our elder members felt let down by the CTC..


I think you need to recognise that what has happened was unlikely to be the plan of HQ but the result of the changes being leaked prematurely. Unfortunate but these things happen sometimes

If by "prematurely" you mean "several months later than they should have been", then yes. Otherwise, no.


What's your timeline for this then. AIUI the consultants presented the final proposals at the October 2015 meeting and the final decision to go ahead was made at the 23 January 2016 meeting where it was the major item of discussion but was too late to get into the February/March 2016 issue of Cycle so will presumably be in the April/May issue. The new logo leaked on 17 February So where do you manage to fit in "several months later than they should have been" into that timeline.
by TonyR
29 Feb 2016, 9:39pm
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB
Replies: 249
Views: 122086

Re: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

gaz wrote:In my opinion you are very much mistaken in your recollection because I know that you would not deliberately misrepresent the matter.

It was Motion 1 of the 2012 AGM at Sheffield that finally sealed the Charity Conversion. I wasn't there, but this isn't the first time that I've linked the ERS records for the vote which suggest the room was strongly in favour (90%) as were the majority of returned voting forms that gave directed proxy votes.

If the Chair's undirected proxy votes had been left uncast the result would have been 3978 For, 646 Against (86% in favour). If the Chair had then cast the undirected proxies against the mood of those who'd expressed an opinion the motion would have been lost. Unsurprisingly he cast them in favour.



Ah you miss the point though that the 4 people who voted against in person at the meeting should be allowed to trump the 8,000 who voted for by post :wink:
by TonyR
29 Feb 2016, 9:18pm
Forum: The Cycling UK brand refresh
Topic: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB
Replies: 249
Views: 122086

Re: DEMAND FOR A POLL OF THE WHOLE CLUB

smuggers wrote:Not wanting to get involved in the rights & wrongs of the re-branding, I do think it's quite shocking that the majority of our club members, knew nothing about the change of name at our clubroom slideshow last Thursday.. This cant be right & some of our elder members felt let down by the CTC..


I think you need to recognise that what has happened was unlikely to be the plan of HQ but the result of the changes being leaked prematurely. Unfortunate but these things happen sometimes