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TonyR

Philip Benstead wrote:IMHO this was immoral

If you thought what Council did was immoral did you take the only honourable course of action open to you and resign from Council?

Thought not!

TonyR

pete75 wrote:In the last 50 or so years the US has shown more proclivity for invading other countries than Russia ever has.

Really? Hungary, Czechosolvakia, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine.........

TonyR

reohn2 wrote:
Tonyf33 wrote:.....disc brakes are the 'safe' option for dummies who can't brake correctly nowadays....

I'm going to need that one explaining to me

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html

TonyR

Philip Benstead wrote:The poll had restricted information from descenting voices

That's not how I remember it. I remember articles for and against being published side by side in Cycle and quite a lot of information on both sides floating around at the time. But its virtually impossible for some people to accept they lost the vote and move on, preferring to console themselves with the view that the membership are idiots who are easily confused and manipulated. And the same will be true of any vote on a name change.

TonyR

Psamathe wrote:My point was that it is down to the skills of the interviewer to find out if they are being given BS to get a job offer or if the interest is genuine.

Sure it is but that is nothing to do with the point mjr made that I was replying to.

TonyR

reohn2 wrote:But we woudn't need worry either way,unless such nuclear weapons are so 'smart' and clever as to only destroy the bits of no use to an enemy.

Do your really think that Pyong Yang wants to occupy the USA? If they finally get a ballistic nuclear missile the only thing stopping them using it against the US will be the certain knowledge of their own obliteration if they do. That's the whole concept behind MAD - having them prevents them being used. Do you think the Americans would have dropped the bomb on Japan if Japan had had them too and the means to deliver them?

TonyR

Psamathe wrote:
TonyR wrote:
mjr wrote:[quote="TonyR"]mjt said: "The argument is that his passions seem to change depending on what job he's hired for,"
That writes off as cynical careerists all of those of us who have changed jobs in their lifetime. I've done a variety of jobs over the years and enjoyed them all which apparently isn't possbile.

That's going a bit far. I doubt you published statements portraying each job as fulfilling some overriding top priority for you. I certainly didn't as I moved from low-paid factory and retail jobs to education to IT.

I was certainly asked to write a cover letter for most of them saying why I wanted the job and its usually asked as a question at interview. And we're hardly going to say its just another job are we?

Which is where interviewing skills become so important. The interviewer has to be able to find out what the real motive and intent of the applicant is. And there is the aspect of "be careful what you wish for". So a small savings organisation might feel that have managed a real coup if they managed to recruit Sir Fred (with all that banking, "managing change", experience together with a proven track record of fast company growth ...).

Ian[/quote]

Nice attempt to change the subject from what people say about their interest in the job to interviewing. We all say we are interested in the jobs we are applying for and I don't see why you think it so reprehensible that PT should as well. But perhaps you tell all the employers you apply to that you're not really interested but need the work. Sure that will go down real well.

TonyR

pwa wrote:I have never understood why the UK and France cannot share the same system, with a single command structure.

Hacker: I sometimes wonder why we need the weapons.
Sir Humphrey: Minister! You're not a unilateralist?
Hacker: I sometimes wonder, you know.
Sir Humphrey: Well, then, you must resign from the government!
Hacker: Ah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not that unilateralist! Anyway, the Americans will always protect us from the Russians, won't they?
Sir Humphrey: Russians? Who's talking about the Russians?
Hacker: Well, the independent deterrent.
Sir Humphrey: It's to protect us against the French!
Hacker: The French?! But that's astounding!
Sir Humphrey: Why?
Hacker: Well they're our allies, our partners.
Sir Humphrey: Well, they are now, but they've been our enemies for the most of the past 900 years. If they've got the bomb, we must have the bomb!
Hacker: If it's for the French, of course, that's different. Makes a lot of sense.
Sir Humphrey: Yes. Can't trust the Frogs.
Hacker: You can say that again!

TonyR

mjr wrote:
TonyR wrote:
mjr wrote:The argument is that his passions seem to change depending on what job he's hired for,

That writes off as cynical careerists all of those of us who have changed jobs in their lifetime. I've done a variety of jobs over the years and enjoyed them all which apparently isn't possbile.

That's going a bit far. I doubt you published statements portraying each job as fulfilling some overriding top priority for you. I certainly didn't as I moved from low-paid factory and retail jobs to education to IT.

I was certainly asked to write a cover letter for most of them saying why I wanted the job and its usually asked as a question at interview. And we're hardly going to say its just another job are we?

TonyR

reohn2 wrote:What chance has anyone got if a nuclear war is started?
The UK not having them won't change the outcome,as we'll all end up either non existent or wandering about glowing in the dark until we painfully expire.

I think you've been reading too much lurid propoganda. A nuclear war is emminently survivable. The planet won't be glowing with radiation nor will everyone die. The classic images of Nagasaki and Hiroshima are largely the result of the subsequent firestorms in a city built of wood. Plus now they have low radiation yield bombs because no-one wants to make a territory they've conquered uninhabitable.

TonyR

Mick F wrote:Yes Tony. I agree.
It's the vocally loud minority who make the most noise.
The vote was 80% in favour ................ of the people who voted, not the total membership.

It's all about my hobby horse regarding "democracy" ........................ just think about the forthcoming referendum.

What are the rules?

50.001% of the people who vote want to stay in.
49.999% of the people who vote want to leave.

Who is going to make the most noise?
The voters, or the people who didn't vote?

You have a suggestion for a better system? [Mick F decides for everyone does not count

]

TonyR

reohn2 wrote:And do I see the countries around the globe who don't have them living in abject fear of foreign nuclear attack?

We could always be like the famously peaceful Swiss and not have nuclear weapons but build massive nuclear bunkers enough to accommodate the entire population instead. I don't think they built them because they were comfortable that no-one would use nuclear weapons against them.

TonyR

Vorpal wrote:A poll costs lots of money that might be better spent on campaigning.

It won't make any difference either. The vote to become a charity was 80% in favour but didn't resolve the issue and people are still banging on about it being wrong five years later. If there were a 99% vote in favour of a name change I would still expect people here to be banging on about it being against the members wishes for the next decade or few.

TonyR

reohn2 wrote:
TonyR wrote:So if young immigrants can do that why can't young Brits?

Quite,though many(majority?) young Brits are in a better position,as they live at home in favourable economic circumstances.

So they are not having housing stolen off them by immigrants. They are making a personal decision not to go after their own housing. Glad we cleared that up then

Some people(possibly a large minority?)just don't like foreigners,they complain about 'them' stealing 'our' jobs,speaking their own language amongst themselves(I've even heard people complain about Welsh people speaking Welsh amongst themselves),and just not being 'British'.

Most employers of young people that I know find it very difficult to get Brits to apply but very easy to get those from overseas to. Its why our hotel and restaurant staff are dominated by people from Europe and beyond, not British youngsters, for example. So they are not stealing any jobs off anyone. They are simply doing the jobs British youngsters won't.

TonyR

tyreon wrote:Tony R: Most immigrants to this country will be young migrants. Guess quite a few will be single,certainly mobile. Some(don't know how many)will have contacts. When you're young and flexible you will be quite willing to share a house,share a room etc to get 'that foot in the door'. With sharing,and once you have a job,your costs of living will be lower.

So if young immigrants can do that why can't young Brits?

When I go down to Heaven's Gate(Worcester,Hereford and the like)those places are expanding!! Not very pleasant in my view. This said,I think it's old codgers like myself who value what's left of rural Britannia.

What is left other than derelict towns as the young move away to the cities. The Times did an interesting article a couple of years ago about the locals bemoaning their town in Lincolnshire being overtaken by immigrants but what it found was a vibrant high street with lots of life in what had previously been a street of derelict shops and town of run down and empty housing. The immigrant community had actually bought life back to a dying town.

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