...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby Brucey » 6 Dec 2018, 9:19pm

this page

http://www.cyclingnorthwales.co.uk/pages/ctc_wing_whls.htm

says winged wheel signs were issued from 1883 onwards but does not cite a reference for this. Other sources say about 1888 for the wall signs to appear.

This http://www.wingedwheels.info/A%20HISTORY%20OF%20THE%20WINGED%20WHEELS.pdf

says the winged wheel only replaced the earlier shield logo in 1886, (which corresponds with Gaz's Nov 1885 trademark date) and the wall signs appeared some time after this.

Anyone got any L.A.W. stuff with the winged wheel on from 1885 or earlier?

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby st599_uk » 6 Dec 2018, 9:28pm

gaz wrote:
Brucey wrote:... Not sure when the CTC winged wheel first appeared ...

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The original logo was officially usurped by the Winged Wheel in 1886. Trademark 1885.

st599_uk wrote:Very nice, but I'd spend the entire ride with my OCD going mad about the missing apostrophe.

It is not missing, it is absent by design. The company name is officially registered without an apostrophe :mrgreen: .


And yet the one on the Cycling UK website has one:
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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby mjr » 6 Dec 2018, 10:13pm

Icon, logo, meh. The name and slogan written out isn't what's usually thought of as a logo, is it?
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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby AndyK » 7 Dec 2018, 3:31pm

mjr wrote:Icon, logo, meh. The name and slogan written out isn't what's usually thought of as a logo, is it?

Well... the word logo (short for logotype) originally referred specifically to a number of letters cast together in a single piece (from the Greek logos, "word") while an icon is a stylised pictorial representation. But the meanings have blurred over the years. Most company logos are a combination of the logotype (the name, written in a specific typeface or style) and a distinctive image.

Take Amazon, which is the word "Amazon" with a little orange smiley/arrow/swoosh (whatever) underneath it. Once you're familiar with the main logo and have seen it lots of times, it's easy to make the association with the tiny icon they use in the web browser - an "a" with the orange swoosh. If you've never heard of Amazon and never seen their full logo, it's meaningless. Which of these would you recognise if you had never seen the full logo?
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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby Brucey » 7 Dec 2018, 4:50pm

AndyK wrote:.... Which....... would you recognise if you had never seen the full logo?.....


the one that attaches to tabs when you open this link...?

the CTC could still be using this sort of thing if they wanted to....

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby JohnW » 7 Dec 2018, 7:50pm

gaz wrote:https://shop.cyclinguk.org/cycling-uk-shop

I'm not aware of where to find such stickers and I suspect that they are no longer in production.


Thank you for that gaz - I have to confess that I didn't know that the 'shop' existed! It's merely a shadow of it's (CTC) former days though!

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby JohnW » 7 Dec 2018, 8:50pm

fausto99 wrote:.................I think the winged wheel is the best logo ever for a cycling organization.

+1 to that fausto. :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby steelframe » 9 Dec 2018, 10:28am

JakobW wrote:At least CUK are now selling nice retro winged wheel patches suitable for saddlebags/panniers/etc. again; not quite as cool as the vintage ones, but they'll do the trick...


A slightly connected question: I've been leasurely looking for a woolen cycling jersey for quite some time that would not put me into the mamil league. Wool because I've positive memories of that material back from my race cycling days back in the eighties of last century. :shock:
A while ago I spotted the retro one in the CTC shop (https://shop.cyclinguk.org/cyclists-touring-club-wool-jersey) which I quite liked (including the retro logo on it) - only to discover that the bigger sizes were sold out already. Now they seem to be back and I've three questions:

1.) does anyone have experience with it, regarding quality and sizing? I am no racer any more, rather a touring guy - so a somewhat slack fit would be preferred.

2.) I discovered that the jerseys seem to come from Torn (http://torm.cc/) and you can get the exact same jersey in the same stunning color scheme from https://spcycles.com/epages/f16c048c-e949-4d87-996e-9f7ec7a844b3.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/f16c048c-e949-4d87-996e-9f7ec7a844b3/Products/1001 for 39 Pounds instead of the 75 Pounds they charge in the CTC shop.

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Just w/o the CTC logo. Ist that true? The logo makes the jersey look better in my eyes. But a 35 Pound premium to have advertizing on the jersey? :shock: I had expected it to be the other way round: cheaper with advertizing on it. Which would then bring me to

3.) I've no connection to CTC (and live in Germany where nobody knows the CTC anyway), but somewhat like the old retro logo - fits the jersey pretty well. Would I make a fool of myself proudly cycling around with a CTC logo on my jersey? I would never buy a jersey with brand advertizing on it like i.e. those factory team replica jerseys - I just like the look of the retro CTC-jersey. What do you think?

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby Oldjohnw » 9 Dec 2018, 10:34am

As I continue to replace man-made fibres I have recently acquired this:

https://www.alpkit.com/products/kepler-zip-top-mens

So far, so good. I already have their leggings/tights/long johns and other underwear plus padded pants.

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby JakobW » 9 Dec 2018, 12:04pm

steelframe wrote:1.) does anyone have experience with it, regarding quality and sizing? I am no racer any more, rather a touring guy - so a somewhat slack fit would be preferred.

No personal experience, but some of the folk in my local group have some and are very happy with them. Worth noting that these are 'sportwool' rather than pure wool - effectively a fabric with a lycra outer face and a merino inner face. This has some of the benefits of both - wool's temperature and odour regulation, whilst being easier to wash, and not as saggy as pure wool. There are still pure wool jerseys available, but they're quite niche - Jura are one of the companies still making them. Sizing-wise, the CTC jerseys come up small for a UK brand - with a 42" chest I'd normally be an L, but would be an XL for these.
steelframe wrote:2.) I discovered that the jerseys seem to come from Torn (http://torm.cc/) and you can get the exact same jersey in the same stunning color scheme from https://spcycles.com/epages/f16c048c-e949-4d87-996e-9f7ec7a844b3.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/f16c048c-e949-4d87-996e-9f7ec7a844b3/Products/1001 for 39 Pounds instead of the 75 Pounds they charge in the CTC shop.

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Just w/o the CTC logo. Ist that true? The logo makes the jersey look better in my eyes. But a 35 Pound premium to have advertizing on the jersey? :shock: I had expected it to be the other way round: cheaper with advertizing on it.

Yes, these are Torm jerseys - if you look closely at some of the pictures on the CUK site you can see the Torm logo. It is quite a steep markup, but the winged wheel embroidery etc. will be costing extra to do, and by the standards of posh kit the jerseys aren't horrendous - though it shows what good value Torm's stuff is.

steelframe wrote:Which would then bring me to
3.) I've no connection to CTC (and live in Germany where nobody knows the CTC anyway), but somewhat like the old retro logo - fits the jersey pretty well. Would I make a fool of myself proudly cycling around with a CTC logo on my jersey? I would never buy a jersey with brand advertizing on it like i.e. those factory team replica jerseys - I just like the look of the retro CTC-jersey. What do you think?


Honestly, if you like it, buy it - worst case it's going to provide a conversation starter if you come across UK cycle-tourists on your rides...

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby Samuel D » 9 Dec 2018, 12:33pm

steelframe wrote:I discovered that the jerseys seem to come from Torn (http://torm.cc/) and you can get the exact same jersey in the same stunning color scheme from https://spcycles.com/epages/f16c048c-e949-4d87-996e-9f7ec7a844b3.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/f16c048c-e949-4d87-996e-9f7ec7a844b3/Products/1001 for 39 Pounds instead of the 75 Pounds they charge in the CTC shop.

Torm’s website only says £39 until you choose a blue and white one (or any other colour and size that I tried, though presumably some undesirable combination is indeed £39). Ones that look like the CTC jersey are £61. At least in my browser.

steelframe wrote:I've no connection to CTC (and live in Germany where nobody knows the CTC anyway), but somewhat like the old retro logo - fits the jersey pretty well. Would I make a fool of myself proudly cycling around with a CTC logo on my jersey?

Put it this way: I’m in a similar situation and have been tempted to do the same, only not doing so yet because of the cost. It’s a good jersey and a fine logo, and I’d be pleased to support the organisation even today.

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Re: ...why it's so difficult to find the Cycling UK shop?

Postby steelframe » 13 Dec 2018, 10:37am

Thank you all for your suggestions. Indeed the price difference is not as big as it seems on the first look. So I conviced myself to order the ctc-jersey, only to discover in the fine print:

We only ship to UK addresses.

https://shop.cyclinguk.org/kit-terms-po ... nd-returns

:| So doomed for now. :( I'll have to find a way to work around that.