Mystery frame time -a Raleigh?

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David9694
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Mystery frame time -a Raleigh?

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Refurbished by Argos in yellow and blue.

For being a Raleigh:
That rear brake hole - unmistakable in my experience
The frame number - one of the fabled “W”s? (Nothing on the steerer

Against/being something else
Runs a front mech braze-on (might be a later add-on)
Not sure about the lug pattern - think I saw it on a Record Ace I did up
Never seen anything other than the plastic cable guide on Raleighs
Drop-outs - decent, but unbranded
No sign of the 3 holes for a Raleigh head badge

Has braze-on gear bosses, only one set of bottle mounts.
Late 1980s?
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KM2
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Re: Mystery frame time -a Raleigh?

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Looks a cheap frame if the rear brake bridge is anything to go by.
Swaged tube and a dollop of braze, so not given time for finishing.
Jamesh
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Does it ring when flicked?

One of the 80 /90s frame builders? Graham weigh / Ribble???

Cheers James
BerlinMatt
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Re: Mystery frame time -a Raleigh?

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I think it looks like a Raleigh Carlton which has had some braze-ons added at some point. The cable guides are on top of/obscuring the frame number which would be bizarre unless they have been added later. Perhaps the headbadge holes were filled in when the other work was done- might be worth looking inside the headtube? I would guess early 80s not late- but the number we need from a Raleigh is entirely obscured :)
I have a Clubman frame hanging in my cellar with the same lugs (and the same sloppy brazing). It rode nicely enough...
David9694
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Re: Mystery frame time -a Raleigh?

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My guess is that the cable guides are a later addition; there’s no sign of a hole for the riveted plastic guide though, nor of any other system.

Can’t see any evidence of head badge rivet holes infilling - might know more when the paint is off. Wondered if the gear bosses too were added, but no sign of a pip on the underside.

Could you post a pic of your Clubman lugs?
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Re: Mystery frame time -a Raleigh?

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I think Raleigh may have made a lot of models for different export markets- in some markets brazing on the main tubes was frowned upon. This Raleigh on German ebay is a good example it's a Record (europe) which I spent an age looking for in Raleigh catalogues for the UK & US. I found it at the back of a german catalogue to buy as a frameset only. https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... 4-217-6825
Anyway here are the Lugs from the Clubman...

the W means Worksop ,the N means October and the 0 means 1980.
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David9694
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BerlinMatt wrote: 22 Sep 2021, 5:20pm I think Raleigh may have made a lot of models for different export markets- in some markets brazing on the main tubes was frowned upon. This Raleigh on German ebay is a good example it's a Record (europe) which I spent an age looking for in Raleigh catalogues for the UK & US. I found it at the back of a german catalogue to buy as a frameset only. https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... 4-217-6825
Anyway here are the Lugs from the Clubman...

the W means Worksop ,the N means October and the 0 means 1980.
Brilliant! Thanks. Brake bridge and lugs look to match the muster frame, and you’ve got the big hole for fastening the plastic cable guide. I had the later Clubman in my teens with the red finish. (Couldn’t afford a Record Ace, but don’t get me started on that.)

The German example bears the “export” ***531*** decal, that was also used on the Gran Sport at this time.
mumbojumbo
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I reckon that is a Carlton,probably when Raleigh took over but kept brand etc
David9694
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Clubman c1982/3
Clubman c1982/3
And here is the frame of my bike frame, aged 17 I think it was.

The vendor has done some nice clear pictures of the lugs and you can make out the brake bridge and chain stay bridge.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-22-i ... 635-2958-0
David9694
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Re: Mystery frame time -a Raleigh?

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Raleigh Rapide
Raleigh Rapide
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raleigh-Rapi ... 635-2958-0

This looks very similar to the Clubman, except for the mudguard eyes - 531 main tubes only.

Under the seat tube is this slightly “plasticine” looking joint, which my Argos also has.
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