Weekend Morning Cyclists, Please Speak Quietly?

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old_windbag
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And applying those principles we can mow our lawns at 11pm on those long summer nights, when those up early for work are trying to get to sleep :) . Somehow I think not there'd be an outcry. So lets all live civily and with thought and consideration for others. Sometimes it may make you feel you have restricted liberty but an attitude of anarchy benefits no-one. Church bells sound lovely but for anyone not interested in attending an early morning sunday service( most of us I'd have thought ) why should they be rung at an early hour, keep them for evensong or whatever you have. I've never heard any early up here anyway.

Anyway we're chasing our tail a bit. Hopefully OP Tired will be able to return with new forum name No_Longer_Tired if the problem reduces and goes away :D .

We can all live quite harmoniously if we try( and we should ), but being obstinate doesn't help in the least.
karlt
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pete75 wrote:Mowing at 6 or 7 you'd have a point but 8 is reasonable enough.


No it isn't. I need 8-9 hours sleep a night; I don't often get it because I have to get up before 7 to get to work and I can't get to sleep much before midnight. I catch up at weekends. I'd prefer not to be woken up at 8am, which to my body by the weekend might as well be the middle of the bloody night. Wait until 10 for goodness' sake!
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old_windbag wrote:
Psamathe wrote:Townies moving to the countryside.....

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So not all people who move into the countryside do it for social prestige. But at the same time just because you live in countryside does not mean you need to shoot or fox hunt which seems to be a common opinion. We can move wherever we feel our lives may be better and stress levels lower, perhaps not all do it for such but I did.

Sorry, I did't mean to suggest you/everybody did. But those who do cause a lot of impact to the countryside (and people living there).

Ian
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Tired wrote:...
Like old_windbag and others, I'm slightly confused as to why ... or what being a townie has got to do with not wanting to be woken up by shouting.....

I have found that people used to living in towns tend not to notice the noise as much as those used to the countryside. A couple of years ago I helped somebody with house renovation for a few weeks in a town and every morning the traffic, beep .. beep .. beep from a fork lift truck (at 06:00am), trains, etc. would wake me up at 06:00am. Yet those living there did not even hear all those noises. Same through the day when I'd be noticing how noisy the place was, for people who lived there it was like it was peaceful silence.

I can appreciate people can filter out continual background noise, but things like car horns, vehicle reversing warnings, etc. are occasional so I'd expect to be hared to just not hear.

Ian
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karlt wrote:
pete75 wrote:Mowing at 6 or 7 you'd have a point but 8 is reasonable enough.


No it isn't. I need 8-9 hours sleep a night; I don't often get it because I have to get up before 7 to get to work and I can't get to sleep much before midnight. I catch up at weekends. I'd prefer not to be woken up at 8am, which to my body by the weekend might as well be the middle of the bloody night. Wait until 10 for goodness' sake!


I don't usually mow the lawn at 8 in the morning but in my opinion if someone wants to it's up to them. Why do you think others should have to plan their activities in a way to suit your body clock? Many people have limited leisure time and may want to get tasks like lawn mowing out of the way at the beginning of the day to leave the rest free for another activity like a long bike ride.
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker
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I try to avoid using power tools early in the morning. Personally I'd say 8am is early, even though I'm a very early riser.

One reason I like to be extra considerate is so I don't give my neighbours any excuse to make a lot of noise themselves - I happen to be very sensitive to certain kinds of neighbour noise.
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I wasn't trying to be competitive, I was trying to establish what the OP considered early? As has been obvious from various comments, (and my own), many people perceive early as a totally different thing.
I would never consider mowing grass at 8am as acceptable.... my grass would still be far too wet for one thing, and I want to get out on my bike :lol: (sorry). Likewise I try to be considerate when i am up and out extremely early on weekend / BH shifts when i am aware neighbours etc., will still be tucked up. Would that they were similarly considerate when I don't have to get up early mid-week.... but that is never going to happen...... have never met the Monday-Friday worker yet who considers shift workers who may still be getting their zzz's in......

I was also interested to see what people considered a lie-in... are they actually still asleep, or just reclining / drowsing in bed for an extra hour or so? For me a lie-in is losing myself in a good book until i think it is a more reasonable time to start bouncing around with 'jobs'. In which case i hear the neighbours, passing motorists, and pedestrians about their activities....

We all need to be considerate, I agree..... I despair of disruptive loud music, people who think it acceptable to phone or text after 10pm at night unless they are sure the recipient feels it is acceptable, similarly my CTC club mate who thought it acceptable to phone me at 12 midday... 'knowing i was on nights so knew i would be in....?????' Grrrrrrr!!!! Dohhhhhhh!!!!
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In a house i lived in, my neighbour worked early shifts so up at around 4am. You could hear every cupboard banging closed, every draw sliding shut and the teaspoon being stirred in her tea cup then tapped chink chink. Anyway i had a visitor who i'd mentioned this too weeks before, cut to the teamaking and i said "oh you'll hear the teaspoon next", right on cue. They couldn'f believe it, thought i'd exagerrated :o. If her boyfriend came then it was like having a porn soundtrack playing :D. Plus full toilet soundtrack :shock:.
The chap four houses away would play booming hifi music that was clearly heard in my house. The strangest effect was that my house was end of the terrace. If you put your ear to the end wall you could hear him and his mates talking :o. Tthe houses shared a concrete float foundation and i think this allowed the sound to travel along it and let the plasterboard act as a speaker. Shocking build standards, that was beazer, but they're. All similar in the cost cutting dept. His direct neighbour said one day "you hear everything, i mean everything" :wink:

all of this was part of why i now live detached, ideally i'd be detached on a plot of land, remote from others, that i could surround myself with wildlife and the trees and plants they need. Who knows if that chapter will be Happen before time beats me. :(
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pete75 wrote:
karlt wrote:
pete75 wrote:Mowing at 6 or 7 you'd have a point but 8 is reasonable enough.


No it isn't. I need 8-9 hours sleep a night; I don't often get it because I have to get up before 7 to get to work and I can't get to sleep much before midnight. I catch up at weekends. I'd prefer not to be woken up at 8am, which to my body by the weekend might as well be the middle of the bloody night. Wait until 10 for goodness' sake!


I don't usually mow the lawn at 8 in the morning but in my opinion if someone wants to it's up to them. Why do you think others should have to plan their activities in a way to suit your body clock?


For the same reason I don't play my electric guitar at 11pm. Or do you think I should say "sod you, don't care about your body clock considering 11pm to be late, I want to play now because it suits me"?

I don't do that because I'm not an inconsiderate tool. In return, I quite like people not to act as inconsiderate tools towards me.
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Wherever I've lived, from.childhood to the present day, I've always thought of 9am to 9pm is the noisy time. From 9pm to 9am it is common courtesy to keep your noise down. My parents taught us this and to me it makes so much sense. Even now, all these years later I'm creeping around my house when I get up early. I won't vacuum between 9pm and 9am. My young son gets told off if he's too noisy before 9am too. That leaves him playing quietly for 3 hours in the morning. Even he has little trouble with that.

So I get it. Those quiet tints are my choice not everyone's. It is perhaps inconsiderate to apply your views on others but my views on quiet times doesn't impact others. If you believe it's fair game to make noise earlier then I can't stop you but your choice in this matter does affect me too. That's one sided IMHO.

To the OP's inconsiderate cyclists they have made their choice over noise, whether knowingly or not, and the OP is suffering as a result. No harm in get asking for consideration for herself and others. You can choose to ignore her pleas. She can't choose anything on this matter. Considering she's a skint country girl secondary glazing is out. That leaves the mercy of cyclists. Nothing.happening there! She's snookered!
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karlt wrote:
pete75 wrote:
karlt wrote:
No it isn't. I need 8-9 hours sleep a night; I don't often get it because I have to get up before 7 to get to work and I can't get to sleep much before midnight. I catch up at weekends. I'd prefer not to be woken up at 8am, which to my body by the weekend might as well be the middle of the bloody night. Wait until 10 for goodness' sake!


I don't usually mow the lawn at 8 in the morning but in my opinion if someone wants to it's up to them. Why do you think others should have to plan their activities in a way to suit your body clock?


For the same reason I don't play my electric guitar at 11pm. Or do you think I should say "sod you, don't care about your body clock considering 11pm to be late, I want to play now because it suits me"?

I don't do that because I'm not an inconsiderate tool. In return, I quite like people not to act as inconsiderate tools towards me.


Most people would consider playing an electric guitar at 11pm as unacceptable but many wouldn't consider work type activities at 8am as unacceptable particularly in rural areas. Very few consider 8am the middle of the night as you say you do.

I guess much depends on whether or not people work "office hours" or keep earlier hours. When I worked on the land I considered 8am like an office worker considered time for his elevenses.
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I too take the view of being quiet and "creeping" around to be considerate. Vacuuming again is something I leave until late morning or afternoon, never evening time. Even though I'm fortunate now to be detached I still behave as I did when in a terrace( 37 yrs of life ). It's easy to live like that and if people do the same in return we can all be happier. I think 9am to 9pm would work for weekdays and extend the morning bit to 11am at weekends.

pete75 wrote:Most people would consider playing an electric guitar at 11pm as unacceptable


I bought an irish tin whistle as a musical aside to keep me interested..... I have hardly touched it as I fear people passing my house hearing all the bum notes and inane warbling :shock: . Shame as theres some good music to learn. Anyway I bought an acoustic guitar and can play that at any time of day as quietly as I like. I absolutely love it, wish I'd took the plunge years ago. So nice to strum chords to tunes you know and so much to learn. I grew up playing trumpet, lord knows what the neighbours put up with there..... but they were great people never mentioned it :) .

karlt wrote:No it isn't. I need 8-9 hours sleep a night; I don't often get it because I have to get up before 7 to get to work and I can't get to sleep much before midnight. I catch up at weekends. I'd prefer not to be woken up at 8am, which to my body by the weekend might as well be the middle of the bloody night. Wait until 10 for goodness' sake!


I know that feeling all too well, the constant sleep deprivation every night and the robotic routine, I just lived for the weekend( partly to catch up sleep )..... and in the noisy house I lived in I could have easily been driven to manslaughter by the idiot at the end of my terrace. It pushes you to that level when done regularly, anyone who's experienced this behaviour has my sympathy. I know there are many who do.
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old_windbag wrote:I bought an irish tin whistle as a musical aside to keep me interested..... I have hardly touched it as I fear people passing my house hearing all the bum notes and inane warbling :shock: . Shame as theres some good music to learn. Anyway I bought an acoustic guitar and can play that at any time of day as quietly as I like. I absolutely love it, wish I'd took the plunge years ago. So nice to strum chords to tunes you know and so much to learn. I grew up playing trumpet, lord knows what the neighbours put up with there..... but they were great people never mentioned it :) .



Brings to mind the old Scottish joke.

Airchie visited London for his annual holiday and stayed at a big posh hotel. However, he didnae feel that the natives were friendly. "Every morning at 4 o'clock " he told his pal Jimmy, "they hammered on my bedroom door, on the walls, even on the floor and ceiling. Jings, sometimes they hammered that loud I could hardly hear masel' playing' the pipes."
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker
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I think I'll have to go off into the northumberland hills to practice until adept( if ever ) then return to play at home :shock: . I'll be like st cuthbert.

Hmmmm think the guitars won for now, and no tormented dog's :D .
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9am - 9pm noisy time or 9pm-9am quiet time... it is interesting what people perceive as 'quiet' time...... which is why I am still interested to know at what time do these noisy cyclists disrupt the OP's sleep. We clearly all have differing ideas.....
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