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Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 17 Sep 2016, 9:12pm
by gaz
I'm not sure the geology of Kent would allow for that. I could perhaps have more success digging a well :wink: .

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 17 Sep 2016, 9:24pm
by Philip Benstead
gaz wrote:I'm not sure the geology of Kent would allow for that. I could perhaps have more success digging a well :wink: .
I think your soil is about 5% al

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 17 Sep 2016, 11:28pm
by mjr
Philip Benstead wrote:
Mick F wrote:Daughter2 lives in Bedford, and the water there is awful in the extreme. Absolutely awful. You can taste it in tea and coffee.
I thought we want to protect the environment buy ing bottle water is bad for the environment. If the water taste bad use a lemon slice or a water softener apparatus.

I think all of the Anglia water region has the same extremely hard water. It really is that bad. I grew up with it and only really notice it when returning home after travelling, but filtering will remove the stony taste. Maybe the same would work elsewhere?

Anyway, I do most of the shopping by bike, although recently I prefer Basil Mara panniers which collapse but when expanded take two grocery bags each side and another two strapped on top. Plus another in the basket on the front and I have a packable rucksack!

You can't beat bikes for visiting the market, as the number of bikes parked around it confirms! Also fairly easy at the butchers and fishmongers. Supermarkets OK, with some of them having 100 or so cycle parking spaces but they're really set up for motorists. It's just annoying when they give you a money off petrol voucher for your bike. :roll:

The trailer hasn't been to the supermarket recently. It gets used more for hauling gardening stuff. If I'm buying a large weight of drink, I internet order or visit on the way back from a motorised trip elsewhere :oops:

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 18 Sep 2016, 6:49am
by Philip Benstead
Mick F wrote:
Philip Benstead wrote:What is wrong with the tap or are you too posh to drink tap water+
We're very very lucky here that the water is beautiful to drink.

Daughter2 lives in Bedford, and the water there is awful in the extreme. Absolutely awful. You can taste it in tea and coffee.
I spent many years in the Portsmouth area when I was in the RN, and the water there is awful to drink too.
In Pompey, it even spoils white washing. Grey sheets and towels.

Hence I can see why people buy bottled water.
I live in central London that has hard water I have never heard anybody complaining another it

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 18 Sep 2016, 11:16am
by meic
They know no better!

I like fizzy water, I used to have a sodastream but getting gas refills became both difficult and expensive. Much cheaper to buy 2L bottles of cheapo bottled fizzy water, unlike Gaz I do it in bulk when using the car.

I am so posh that I even filter the relatively soft, fresh Carmarthenshire water.

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 18 Sep 2016, 11:19am
by Philip Benstead
meic wrote:They know no better!

I like fizzy water, I used to have a sodastream but getting gas refills became both difficult and expensive. Much cheaper to buy 2L bottles of cheapo bottled fizzy water, unlike Gaz I do it in bulk when using the car.

I am so posh that I even filter the relatively soft, fresh Carmarthenshire water.
so much for the hard men of the ctc who can adapt to anything

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 18 Sep 2016, 11:31am
by meic
I can adapt to suffering, I can even tour on a Brook's saddle! :mrgreen:
That doesnt mean that one has to lower ones standards in the home.

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 12:17am
by horizon
mattsccm wrote:Its a no brainer.
Engine almost every time. Sadly we live in a society where many of us have relatively long distances to travel. I do 20 to 25 miles each way. The car is the most effective.


Just to flag this up - it's a common misconception. So it should read:

The car is the most effective and can do 20 to 25 miles each way. So sadly we live in a society where many of us travel relatively long distances.

It's quite extraordinary how this concept gets muddled up.

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 9:48am
by reohn2
horizon wrote:
Just to flag this up - it's a common misconception. So it should read:

The car is the most effective and can do 20 to 25 miles each way. So sadly we live in a society where many of us travel relatively long distances.

It's quite extraordinary how this concept gets muddled up.

So is what you're saying that if someone lives 20 miles from where they work and find that the car is more convenient,they should either move closer to their workplace so they can cycle to work,or be inconvenienced by cycling 20miles each way.
Of course there could public transport available with a folding bike at either end,or not.

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 9:58am
by Vorpal
reohn2 wrote:
horizon wrote:
Just to flag this up - it's a common misconception. So it should read:

The car is the most effective and can do 20 to 25 miles each way. So sadly we live in a society where many of us travel relatively long distances.

It's quite extraordinary how this concept gets muddled up.

So is what you're saying that if someone lives 20 miles from where they work and find that the car is more convenient,they should either move closer to their workplace so they can cycle to work,or be inconvenienced by cycling 20miles each way.
Of course there could public transport available with a folding bike at either end,or not.

I think he is suggesting that society has arranged itself around the convenience and capability of the car.

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 10:19am
by reohn2
Vorpal wrote:I think he is suggesting that society has arranged itself around the convenience and capability of the car.


I see that but we are where we are,the clock can't be turned back,but a change can be made and TBH for most the change for people who presently live 20 miles from work won't be cycle commuting.
Quality,efficient,affordable,clean public transport could,and for most people something like this would be the solution of a mile or less shlep at either end:- http://www.electricmood.com/presentation
Far more convenient than a bike,but the major problem is public transport infrastructure,until then the car will clog up our roads

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 24 Jan 2018, 9:32pm
by brynpoeth
meic wrote:They know no better!

I like fizzy water, I used to have a sodastream but getting gas refills became both difficult and expensive. Much cheaper to buy 2L bottles of cheapo bottled fizzy water, unlike Gaz I do it in bulk when using the car.

I am so posh that I even filter the relatively soft, fresh Carmarthenshire water.

A health food store near me offers bottled water from Japan :(

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 25 Jan 2018, 1:41pm
by reohn2
brynpoeth wrote:A health food store near me offers bottled water from Japan :(

I find that truly amazing,as it falls out of the sky with monotomous regularity where I live and is free to collect or I just turn on the tap.
Thinks... .....I suppose it could be Zen non water,water that isn't,yet is,and therefore a better incarnation of water........





PS,go one then,how much per ltr :wink:

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 25 Jan 2018, 2:04pm
by [XAP]Bob
axel_knutt wrote:Walk.

Just grab your coat and walk out of the door. No need to change, no need to stop at every traffic light, no need to go all round the one way system, no need to find somewhere to park and lock the bike, no bike to get stolen or vandalised, no need to swap all the shopping from the carrier bags into the panniers.


Push your bike round the shop, load panniers and 'scan as you shop' if you can.
Else it's an unload/scan/load at the checkout.

Re: The hassle of cycling versus the hassle of driving

Posted: 25 Jan 2018, 2:11pm
by brynpoeth
reohn2 wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:A health food store near me offers bottled water from Japan :(

I find that truly amazing,as it falls out of the sky with monotomous regularity where I live and is free to collect or I just turn on the tap.
Thinks... .....I suppose it could be Zen non water,water that isn't,yet is,and therefore a better incarnation of water........





PS,go one then,how much per ltr :wink:

I saw it when going by, I never shop there

I will have a look tomorrow probably and report back