Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby bertgrower » 18 Sep 2017, 9:44pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Ah.............but its OK for a four wheeled vehicle to mount the kerb and park on the pavement :!:
You have to drive it there with wheels moving....................a bit rich, so there is odd's that if I ride on pavement because it will not annoy car drivers, or annoy them less than overtake a traffic queue, a smart bored in authority will fine me or is it just if they have camera's ?


It is ilegal to park on the pavement in London but if you drive over the pavement to a strip of land in front of a shop owned by the shop unless it is seen by a police officer in the process you cant be done for it.

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby jgurney » 18 Sep 2017, 10:13pm

RakG wrote: I didn't want to join Edgeware Road from the pavement as that's hugely dangerous, so (I went) to the first available corner


I don't follow this - how was entering the carriageway at a corner safer than away from one? Most accidents happen at junctions.

I coasted down the pavement for 5 seconds


So how many more seconds would it have taken to walk? Could you convince a court that expecting you to walk your bike that far was unreasonable?

I think I should have been given a warning.


Why? Warning are given to those who have erred in ignorance or error. Will you tell the court you believed cycling there was legal?

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby jgurney » 18 Sep 2017, 10:17pm

bertgrower wrote: if you drive over the pavement to a strip of land in front of a shop owned by the shop unless it is seen by a police officer in the process you cant be done for it.


Driving or cycling across rather than along a footway to take the vehicle involved onto private land beyond it (e.g. into a driveway) is legal anyway.

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby bertgrower » 18 Sep 2017, 10:36pm

Define across. In some cases you have to drive alone the pavement to gain access to private stripe of land.

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby bertgrower » 18 Sep 2017, 10:49pm

I assume you went to Tesco Metro 90-100 Edgware Rd, London W 2EA then travelled north to Harrowby St, London W1. I know this area very well I cross Edgeware road near here last Friday. Then in IMHO what were you thinking off riding on the footway in that part of Edgeware road, it is very busy with pedestrians.

Pay the fine and put it down to experience.

BTW If are unable to cope with the traffic on Edgeware Road I would suggest you get some cycle training lessons.

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby bogmyrtle » 19 Sep 2017, 8:03am

Assuming it's a fixed penalty unless there was an error in the service of the fp you would be better paying up. Unless things have changed fp notices should only served where there is sufficient evidence to prosecute if the fp isn't accepted.
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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby hondated » 19 Sep 2017, 9:16pm

Whatever you decide to do going by what I know is pay the fine and then argue about it after as its not worth the risk of costs being added if you done pay. Good luck.

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby thirdcrank » 19 Sep 2017, 9:46pm

I'm by no means up to date with this but it has occurred to me that the fixed penalty for this offence is £30. Or has it been increased recently?

While I was trying to check this, I came across a reply to an FOI request to Avon and Somerset Police. (First in the alphabet?)

https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/a ... ince-2012/

Regular readers of my stuff may notice some presumably unintentional mistakes. No prizes.

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby Vorpal » 19 Sep 2017, 9:52pm

A previous thread about a similar question may have something useful... viewtopic.php?f=7&t=52228&p=434916
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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby thirdcrank » 20 Sep 2017, 9:36am

... Regular readers of my stuff may notice some presumably unintentional mistakes. No prizes.


A sobering confirmation of how much falls on stony ground. :oops: Would a Goretex jacket (pre-owned) tempt anybody?

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby Vorpal » 20 Sep 2017, 11:08am

thirdcrank wrote:
... Regular readers of my stuff may notice some presumably unintentional mistakes. No prizes.


A sobering confirmation of how much falls on stony ground. :oops: Would a Goretex jacket (pre-owned) tempt anybody?

:lol: :lol:

p.s. thanks, but I just bought a new softshell. Also, I read lots of stuff on this forum, so it wouldn't be fair. :wink:
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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby Username » 20 Sep 2017, 12:21pm

RakG wrote:This morning on Edgeware Road I received a £50 fine for being on the pavement for all of 5 seconds. I'd locked my bike up at Tescos for to grab breakfast, when I was leaving I didn't want to join Edgeware Road from the pavement as that's hugely dangerous, so I coasted down the pavement for 5 seconds to the first available corner where I could have joined the busy road. I received a £50 fine, no warning.

It's really annoyed me as I think I should have been given a warning. I fully intend to contest this by writing to the court about what happened.

Has anyone been in a similar position and had the fine revoked or is it just not worth it and should I pay the fine?

Thanks,


If it was a lone traffic warden or PCSO etc, couldnt you have just ridden off without giving your details? They wouldnt be able to send you a fine if they dont know who you are and where you live.

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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby Vorpal » 20 Sep 2017, 1:14pm

Username wrote:
RakG wrote:This morning on Edgeware Road I received a £50 fine for being on the pavement for all of 5 seconds. I'd locked my bike up at Tescos for to grab breakfast, when I was leaving I didn't want to join Edgeware Road from the pavement as that's hugely dangerous, so I coasted down the pavement for 5 seconds to the first available corner where I could have joined the busy road. I received a £50 fine, no warning.

It's really annoyed me as I think I should have been given a warning. I fully intend to contest this by writing to the court about what happened.

Has anyone been in a similar position and had the fine revoked or is it just not worth it and should I pay the fine?

Thanks,


If it was a lone traffic warden or PCSO etc, couldnt you have just ridden off without giving your details? They wouldnt be able to send you a fine if they dont know who you are and where you live.


That, too is an offence, and potentially more serious than £50 for pavement cycling.

It is defined as part of the Community Safety Accreditation Scheme. Accredited persons have the right to require a persons details (just like a police officer), and refusal to provide them, or providing incorrect details is an offence. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... eme-powers
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Re: Is it worth contesting a £50 fine?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 20 Sep 2017, 3:06pm

Vorpal wrote:
Username wrote:
RakG wrote:This morning on Edgeware Road I received a £50 fine for being on the pavement for all of 5 seconds. I'd locked my bike up at Tescos for to grab breakfast, when I was leaving I didn't want to join Edgeware Road from the pavement as that's hugely dangerous, so I coasted down the pavement for 5 seconds to the first available corner where I could have joined the busy road. I received a £50 fine, no warning.

It's really annoyed me as I think I should have been given a warning. I fully intend to contest this by writing to the court about what happened.

Has anyone been in a similar position and had the fine revoked or is it just not worth it and should I pay the fine?

Thanks,


If it was a lone traffic warden or PCSO etc, couldnt you have just ridden off without giving your details? They wouldnt be able to send you a fine if they dont know who you are and where you live.


That, too is an offence, and potentially more serious than £50 for pavement cycling.

It is defined as part of the Community Safety Accreditation Scheme. Accredited persons have the right to require a persons details (just like a police officer), and refusal to provide them, or providing incorrect details is an offence. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... eme-powers


And you can tell an accredited person apart from a potential mugger by their willingness to chase you? shout at you? dress up in costume?
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