Patch recommendation...

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby gxaustin » 7 Nov 2017, 10:45pm

He did say that hardly any were his own...

Sorry did I say otherwise?

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby Colin_P » 8 Nov 2017, 1:47am

gloomyandy wrote:Since we are talking patches... What are you supposed to do with the clear backing/topping that is on many of them? It can be very hard to remove it without ruining the feathered edge, are you supposed to? Is there some trick to it?


Do nothing with it, leave it in place.

It is there to stop any residual glue sticking the tube to the inside of the tyre and is far better than messing about with french chalk as we did in days of old.

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby Brucey » 8 Nov 2017, 2:31am

Colin_P wrote: ...It is there to stop any residual glue sticking the tube to the inside of the tyre ....


it can be used that way but that isn't why it is there. The manufacturers recommend that you remove it and design it to be removed.

A design feature of feather-edged patches is that they stretch with the tube to some extent; if you leave the backing on, they cannot (for better or worse) stretch at all.

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby drossall » 8 Nov 2017, 7:59am

I told you, use the Weldtite strip :lol:

Actual backing comes off relatively easily - just poke at a corner of the patch that you cut - and no nonsense with a clear covering.

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby [XAP]Bob » 12 Nov 2017, 3:45pm

I got some “VeloChampion Bike Puncture Repair Patches Self-Adhesive Kit Pack of 6” whilst this thread was young, and just used one on MiniBob’s front tyre (wierd wire fragment tiny puncture).
The edges aren’t feathered, which means that they are *much* easier to peel from their backing, and it stuck very well afaict.
The patches are quite thick, I’ll grab the calipers at some point, but it looks like that is just absorbed by the general trye deflection.

Still waiting on ‘home’ patches to be delivered...
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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby axel_knutt » 12 Nov 2017, 5:42pm

drossall wrote:I may be the only one, but I swear by the Weldtite strip that you cut into your own pieces. Sticks better than anything I know.

You're not the only one. I've never had any problem with it, so I've never seen the need to use anything else.
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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby Raleigh Steve » 12 Nov 2017, 6:06pm

Brucey wrote:
Colin_P wrote: ...It is there to stop any residual glue sticking the tube to the inside of the tyre ....


it can be used that way but that isn't why it is there. The manufacturers recommend that you remove it and design it to be removed.

A design feature of feather-edged patches is that they stretch with the tube to some extent; if you leave the backing on, they cannot (for better or worse) stretch at all.

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If I'm at home I just prick the backing with something sharp and then it easily peels off from the middle. If I'm out I normally just leave it if it doesn't split.

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby RickH » 12 Nov 2017, 7:13pm

I like the Tip-Top patches & I find I've had enough kits free in goodie bags to more than keep pace with the 0-3 patches I need per year. The glue can be slightly more of a problem - I try to keep an unopened one in the repair kit as well as one that has previously been opened in case the open one has dried up since last use.

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby yostumpy » 12 Nov 2017, 7:46pm

used Wilkos patch kits for years. no probs there.

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby rjb » 12 Nov 2017, 7:53pm

RickH wrote:I like the Tip-Top patches & I find I've had enough kits free in goodie bags to more than keep pace with the 0-3 patches I need per year. The glue can be slightly more of a problem - I try to keep an unopened one in the repair kit as well as one that has previously been opened in case the open one has dried up since last use.


I got fed up of finding the rubber solution had dried up making it unusable. I now open the tube at the sealed end and carefully refold the end after use. Someone on the forum recommended this as a tip to keeping the rubber solution usable for longer, and it works. :wink:

Sometimes the backing paper, polythene gets allmost impossible to remove, If that happens i leave it until the next visit when it can be easier to remove.
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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby Gattonero » 18 Nov 2017, 9:34am

[XAP]Bob wrote:As the title. Am now out of patches...
I have some preference towards having some of the 'sticker' type for roadside use, but am happy to have a more involved patch method at home.

What brands do people recommend?


Glueless patches (Lezyne or Park Tool) for the tool-bag to carry with you, traditional Tip-Top patches to glue for the repairs at home.

The reason for using glueless on the road, is that you will not have the problem of dried glue. Traditional patches to be glued, do work very well and the repair lasts forever, but once you've opened the glue (or even if not opened, simply has been there for years) you may find out on the next puncture in need of mending, that the glue has dried up and you're left in trouble!
Glueless patches would slowly loose pressure over time, say 10psi over a week, but ain;t the end of the world: they do their job of bringing you home. You could always warm-up the glueless patch and do a permanent repair with a traditional glued patch.

To me it really makes sense to have glueless patches in the toolbag on the bike, they are a no-brainer: quickly rub the area to mend, slap the patch, press firmly, refit the inner tube and pump it up. Can't beat that.
I can confirm that Lezyne patches would also mend a hole in Hydrapack reservoirs :idea:
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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby hemo » 18 Nov 2017, 10:21am

1+ for the Weldtite strip cheap at a few £££'s on ebay and works without fail all the time, cut it in to sizes to suit your needs.

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby gloomyandy » 18 Nov 2017, 2:37pm

I've just purchased 48 feather edged round patches from a seller on Amazon for £1.49. Delivered from China in just under a week! Not used any oi them yet but they look pretty good.

Does anyone happen to know if the Park Tool glue-less patches have any sort of lifetime? I've got a couple of packs in my bike bags that must be a few years old now, never had to use them so far (so a good investment then!). But I winder if they become unusable after some period?

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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby Audax67 » 18 Nov 2017, 2:57pm

gloomyandy wrote:I've just purchased 48 feather edged round patches from a seller on Amazon for £1.49. Delivered from China in just under a week!


Ditto, more or less: 100 eBay patches and 10 tubes of rubber solution for half nothing. That was a couple of years ago, and I'm still on the first tube: if you expel all the air before capping it doesn't deteriorate.

All the same, I'm thinking about the Lezyne Smart patches for use on the road. When it's cold as charity and blowing half a gale, simple is good. Most of my punctures are slow ones, discovered the morning after, so I'll keep the others for the workshop.
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Re: Patch recommendation...

Postby Sweep » 18 Nov 2017, 3:20pm

Audax67 wrote:
gloomyandy wrote:I: if you expel all the air before capping it doesn't deteriorate.

All the same, I'm thinking about the Lezyne Smart patches for use on the road. When it's cold as charity and blowing half a gale, simple is good. Most of my punctures are slow ones, discovered the morning after, so I'll keep the others for the workshop.

How do you manage that with expelling the air? Sounds tricky.

I think i will stick with rema tip-top.

Very dependable. Some of their patches on my tubes must have lasted 5 to 10 years. I always carry 2 spare tubes so would have to be very unlucky to have to patch on the road.
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