Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

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Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby tommydog » 6 Feb 2018, 4:10pm

Many bike manufacturers such as Thorn seem to discourage kickstands on bikes that don't have a dedicated kickstand mounting point, particularity those that attach to the chainstay. One alternative is something like the click stand as shown here:

http://www.click-stand.com/

Although I don't think I could be bothered with getting it out and putting it away again.

Then there are the offerings from companies like Pletscher who do a Double Leg Center Kickstand, which seems to be criticised less than the ones that bolt onto the chainstay on one side.

But what I don't hear much of is the kickstand that bolts to the axle. In my opinion this looks to be a good idea, but what do people think of these? Here is one I am looking at which is rated for 25kg:

Hebie Rearwheel Bikestand AX 616
http://www.hebie.de/en/parking/rear-stands/ax/616/

There are hardly any reviews on these axle affixed stands - what do people think of them? And are there any other brands that are recommended?

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby Norman H » 6 Feb 2018, 5:54pm

Apart from the likelihood of damaging the frame, most of the single legged stands that attach low down, suffer instability due to the poor bracing angle. This is especially true if the bike centre of gravity is high due to a loaded rack and/or bar bag, or if the ground is a bit soft. The click stand overcomes this problem by bracing from the top tube. I've got a home made click stand. It stows beneath the top tube but only gets used if there's no convenient wall or tree. You do need a hand brake with a click stand.

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby tommydog » 6 Feb 2018, 6:27pm

Norman H wrote:Apart from the likelihood of damaging the frame, most of the single legged stands that attach low down, suffer instability due to the poor bracing angle.


I understand that they won't be as stable as something like the click stand. But the axle mount stands overcome the issue of damaging the frame. Any thoughts on the axle mount stands?

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby Brucey » 6 Feb 2018, 6:29pm

rear axle mounted stands are much to be preferred over single-leg chainstay crushers, and can potentially have the leg positioned so that rear panniers can be loaded and unloaded without too much aggro.

However they suffer from the usual problem which is that they add 5-10% to the weight and complexity of the bike without adding a concomitant amount of utility. Thus with a few exceptions they fall into the 'extraneous junk' category.

Some models mount to the axle and brace against the stays, others mount to the stays and not the axle, and yet others mount to a chainstay bracket (of which there are at least two different patterns that are commonplace) that is made for the purpose. Obviously getting the wheel out is usually easiest with the latter two types.

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby Bmblbzzz » 6 Feb 2018, 6:56pm

It looks as if the Hebie stand linked to above will need a solid axle with nuts, so no good if you have QR or through-axle.

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby tommydog » 6 Feb 2018, 10:17pm

Bmblbzzz wrote:It looks as if the Hebie stand linked to above will need a solid axle with nuts, so no good if you have QR.


What about just using a longer QR skewer? I have seen a few marketed for attaching trailer hitches to QR systems.

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby mjr » 6 Feb 2018, 10:44pm

Brucey wrote:However they suffer from the usual problem which is that they add 5-10% to the weight and complexity of the bike without adding a concomitant amount of utility. Thus with a few exceptions they fall into the 'extraneous junk' category.

Your bike is 3.7kg?!?

(And I disagree about their utility, but we already knew that.)
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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby mjr » 6 Feb 2018, 10:50pm

Norman H wrote:Apart from the likelihood of damaging the frame, most of the single legged stands that attach low down, suffer instability due to the poor bracing angle. This is especially true if the bike centre of gravity is high due to a loaded rack and/or bar bag, or if the ground is a bit soft. The click stand overcomes this problem by bracing from the top tube.

No, if the ground's soft, the stand will still sink, enabling the bike to slide off and fall.

The axle stands seem less prone to instability, maybe because it makes the ground contact more in line with where any rear load is exerting force.
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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby mercalia » 6 Feb 2018, 11:33pm

get your self a light weight (walking ) stick to prop your bike up with at the top bar? I think some one actually makes one for that purpose?


Image

does any one import this -

http://www.click-stand.com/

maybe make one from some tent poles?


more ideas

https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?t=36295

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby hamster » 6 Feb 2018, 11:54pm

Carbon fibre???? :)

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby tommydog » 7 Feb 2018, 12:15am

Bmblbzzz wrote:It looks as if the Hebie stand linked to above will need a solid axle with nuts, so no good if you have QR or through-axle.


here is another Hebbie stand that works with QR.

Bike stand AX 618
https://youtu.be/deZ65KzS8QI


I am very tempted to buy one. What do you think for a light load for touring?

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby Vorpal » 7 Feb 2018, 6:52am

My MTB came (used) with an axle mounted kickstand. It was completely useless for propping the bike up. The position, so far back on the bike, is such that the weight of the handlebars swinging to that side is enough to over-balance it.

I took it off. IMO, the only kickstands worth bothering about are those for which there is a mounting point built into the frame; preferably a double kickstand.
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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby mjr » 7 Feb 2018, 10:00am

Vorpal wrote:My MTB came (used) with an axle mounted kickstand. It was completely useless for propping the bike up. The position, so far back on the bike, is such that the weight of the handlebars swinging to that side is enough to over-balance it.

Then the leg was too short for the wheel+tyre. Was it not adjustable?
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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby tommydog » 7 Feb 2018, 10:24am

Vorpal wrote:My MTB came (used) with an axle mounted kickstand. It was completely useless for propping the bike up. The position, so far back on the bike, is such that the weight of the handlebars swinging to that side is enough to over-balance it.


To overcome this, why not have a setup with a kickstand at the front as well? I believe a Koga World Traveller has this sort of setup, and people seem to like it.

Here are two stands that attach to the front rack:

Tubus side kickstand for lowriders
https://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/tub ... aid:555504

Hebie Bike stand lite FIX 662 SL
http://www.hebie.de/en/parking/rear-sta ... rs/662-sl/

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Re: Opinions on Kickstands that bolt to the axle

Postby mercalia » 7 Feb 2018, 11:52am

tommydog wrote: . . . Here are two stands that attach to the front rack: . . . .

what a load of hassle