Why do bikes look so boring?

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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Cunobelin » 3 Oct 2018, 6:22am

rmurphy195 wrote:
Bmblbzzz wrote:It is fashion generally and on an individual level it's personal taste, which itself is subject to change through time, age, place, experience and so on. But there is place to consider the wider effect on a societal level of fashions.


Que?


Black is the new Black

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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Cugel » 3 Oct 2018, 9:30am

Mike_Ayling wrote:
Mick F wrote:We had a dark green Peugeot 205 some years ago.
It was a terrible colour for being seen. It blended in with trees and hedgerows. We often drove with headlights on as without them we noticed that we weren't seen very well.

We didn't choose to have a white car BTW. It was the right car at the right time at the right price. Other than having to wash it more often, I think it's a good colour to have as a car ...................... so long as all cars aren't white of course.


We had a dark green ford Fairlane and we started driving with headlights in the day as well. We still do in our current car, a silver Camry.

We had a white car once, never again. The frequent washing regime was too much.

Mike


The washing of a car is a serious waste of anyone's life. My theory is that the dirt protects the paintwork. It also provides a tabula rasa for small children to write rude messages on. Some are quite inspiring in their imaginative suggestions.

Cugel holding the opposite view concerning the cleanliness of the bike.

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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Bmblbzzz » 3 Oct 2018, 10:35am

Cunobelin wrote:
rmurphy195 wrote:
Bmblbzzz wrote:It is fashion generally and on an individual level it's personal taste, which itself is subject to change through time, age, place, experience and so on. But there is place to consider the wider effect on a societal level of fashions.


Que?


Black is the new Black

Whether black is the new black, or flares are the new skinny jeans, has an effect on more than just what we think looks good. It affects our whole lives in many ways. Thinking of colour, there is clearly a difference between being surrounded by black and grey, and being surrounded by fluorescent oranges and yellows. Or, say, pastel blues and pinks. What we see, what surrounds us - our environment, in other words - makes us feel and to an extent behave differently. Take music. Listening to different types of music has an obvious effect on mood for most people. To take another example, the current fashion for SUVs has an obvious effect on demands for road space (particularly for parking) and on the air we breathe, on RTAs, and so on.

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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby The utility cyclist » 3 Oct 2018, 3:04pm

Bmblbzzz wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
iandriver wrote:Aren't most frames made by Kinesis International or Giant? Sounds like there is a job lot going around. Black's a decent base colour if you like to decorate your own bike. An unexpected benefit of USB power off the dynohub was USB string lights.....



OT, but in answer to your question:
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I thought it was Giant and Merida. But whoever it is, that was an interesting video.

Kinesis outscource some of their frame building to China and have done so for a while according to the information I read.
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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Cunobelin » 3 Oct 2018, 3:27pm

Cugel wrote:
Mike_Ayling wrote:
Mick F wrote:We had a dark green Peugeot 205 some years ago.
It was a terrible colour for being seen. It blended in with trees and hedgerows. We often drove with headlights on as without them we noticed that we weren't seen very well.

We didn't choose to have a white car BTW. It was the right car at the right time at the right price. Other than having to wash it more often, I think it's a good colour to have as a car ...................... so long as all cars aren't white of course.


We had a dark green ford Fairlane and we started driving with headlights in the day as well. We still do in our current car, a silver Camry.

We had a white car once, never again. The frequent washing regime was too much.

Mike


The washing of a car is a serious waste of anyone's life. My theory is that the dirt protects the paintwork. It also provides a tabula rasa for small children to write rude messages on. Some are quite inspiring in their imaginative suggestions.

Cugel holding the opposite view concerning the cleanliness of the bike.



Used to know a guy man-years ago, whose car paint job was forever changing.

When they were bored, he would let his Kida paint it!

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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Xilter » 4 Oct 2018, 5:36pm

Cunobelin wrote:
Xilter wrote:
reohn2 wrote:I'd argue that what's seen first is the rider and not the bike.


I’d argue it doesn’t matter how visible you are if a motorist has no capacity of understanding how wide their vehicle is.



I have always smiled at this........ no-one queries car colour asa safety factor


I have heard rumours of select insurance companies offering a (minuscule) discount on bright red,yellow flourecent green cars. As they are supposedly less likely to be hit by someone not seeing them.
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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Xilter » 4 Oct 2018, 5:40pm

: cries : I have been watching a focus paralane AL 105 for a few months now. It’s about £500 outside of my budget so I’ve been saving up. The 2019 model is out. Is solid black. It’s dreadful. I now need to find a new bike that I want. Sigh.
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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Bmblbzzz » 4 Oct 2018, 6:54pm

Xilter wrote:: cries : I have been watching a focus paralane AL 105 for a few months now. It’s about £500 outside of my budget so I’ve been saving up. The 2019 model is out. Is solid black. It’s dreadful. I now need to find a new bike that I want. Sigh.

Might be some 2018 models sold off cheaper to clear stock...

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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Lance Dopestrong » 4 Oct 2018, 8:16pm

Xilter wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
Xilter wrote:
I’d argue it doesn’t matter how visible you are if a motorist has no capacity of understanding how wide their vehicle is.



I have always smiled at this........ no-one queries car colour asa safety factor


I have heard rumours of select insurance companies offering a (minuscule) discount on bright red,yellow flourecent green cars. As they are supposedly less likely to be hit by someone not seeing them.

If that's true, it's just another excuse for insurers to screw over customers - car accident stats by colour do not neatly ascend from the brightest to darkest.

There's no proven link between performance and your chances of having a smack - the TRL found that in many cases the opposite was true , particularly with motorcycles - but that doesn't stop insurers from using it as a reason to charge more. Indeed, it didn't stop the government from ignoring their own research and introducing a power grade licencing system for new motorcyclists.

Insurers exist to extract maximum income by targeti g those who they perceive can afford it the most, a far more viable business model. If they based it upon genuine risk they'd be bankrupt, so they invent a risk hierarchy all of their own to justify the practice.
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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby ndwgolf » 5 Oct 2018, 7:34am

pete75 wrote:Hmmm - the current Trek range of road bikes - quite a variety of bright colours

https://www.trekbikes.com/gb/en_GB/bike ... es/c/B200/

My new bike.....nothing boring here.
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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Mick F » 5 Oct 2018, 8:02am

It would look much better with some silver shiny bling on it.
Rims, brake levers, spokes, chainset and mechs.

Nice frame colour though! :D
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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby Stradageek » 5 Oct 2018, 8:24am

For me, it's the French who really know how to make anything really 'good looking'.

Witness my dream bike - sadly a one-off prototype
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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby slowster » 5 Oct 2018, 8:56am

Lance Dopestrong wrote:
Xilter wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:

I have always smiled at this........ no-one queries car colour asa safety factor


I have heard rumours of select insurance companies offering a (minuscule) discount on bright red,yellow flourecent green cars. As they are supposedly less likely to be hit by someone not seeing them.

If that's true, it's just another excuse for insurers to screw over customers - car accident stats by colour do not neatly ascend from the brightest to darkest.

There's no proven link between performance and your chances of having a smack - the TRL found that in many cases the opposite was true , particularly with motorcycles - but that doesn't stop insurers from using it as a reason to charge more. Indeed, it didn't stop the government from ignoring their own research and introducing a power grade licencing system for new motorcyclists.

Insurers exist to extract maximum income by targeti g those who they perceive can afford it the most, a far more viable business model. If they based it upon genuine risk they'd be bankrupt, so they invent a risk hierarchy all of their own to justify the practice.

The miniscule discount for the car's colour would be a marketing gimmick, on a par with giving out a free pen with each new policy.

As to the question of a link with performance and accidents, methinks I hear the whine of a high performance car/motorcycle (owner). Insurers have to try to identify what are the factors that result in increased risk and increased claims experience. No system of pricing based on risk factors will ever be perfect, which is why there will be variations between different insurers' prices, but they will all generally be based on claims experience. And the insurers have a great deal more data on that than the TRL.

Moreover high performance vehicles will typically be more expensive to replace and also more expensive to repair: it's not just about the probability of an accident, but also about how much it will cost. The old Mini Metro was a very low performance car, but the claims costs were very high because they were prone to being written off in accidents which might only cause relatively minor damage to other cars.

Motor insurance in the UK is a highly competitive market, so competitive that some of the big name insurers are probably only in that sector competing with the insurers who specialise solely in motor insurance, because they need to be in order to maintain and protect their other far more profitable lines of business, like household insurance and life assurance (they reckon they have a better chance of getting people to buy those covers if they are already an existing customer, e.g. they insure their cars).

That competition means that if the various pricing criteria for motor insurance did indeed bear no relation to the level of risk, another insurer would be able to enter the market and make large profits by offering lower prices to those who were truly lower risk. Funnily enough, that hasn't happened. Whenever there have been general lowerings of the prices of motor insurers it has been driven by increased competition (resulting in low profits and often losses for many insurers) or improvements in technology which have cut the insurer's costs (typically by using IT and automation to replace employees).

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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby reohn2 » 5 Oct 2018, 9:09am

ndwgolf wrote:
pete75 wrote:Hmmm - the current Trek range of road bikes - quite a variety of bright colours

https://www.trekbikes.com/gb/en_GB/bike ... es/c/B200/

My new bike.....nothing boring here.
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Re: Why do bikes look so boring?

Postby ndwgolf » 5 Oct 2018, 9:14am

reohn2 wrote:
ndwgolf wrote:
pete75 wrote:Hmmm - the current Trek range of road bikes - quite a variety of bright colours

https://www.trekbikes.com/gb/en_GB/bike ... es/c/B200/

My new bike.....nothing boring here.
Neil

What make is that bike and it's wheels :)
Madone SLR 7 Disc with Aeolus XXX 4 TLR wheel set

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