Ortlieb bar bag fixing

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Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby robgul » 3 Jan 2019, 7:21pm

I've been looking at the Ortlieb bar bags BUT they seem to have rather crude fixing with a clamp wire etc - does anyone know if it's possible to remove the fitment part on the bag itself and fit the Rixen & Kaul plate to then work with the R&K handlebar mount (which is better, and I already have)?

Rob

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby Mark S » 3 Jan 2019, 7:39pm

I think you’ll find the Orlieb bags fit the R&K mount without any need to change the plate on the bag.

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby Tail End Charlie » 3 Jan 2019, 7:41pm

My Ortlieb bar bag fits to my R and K mounting without any modification on one of my bikes. I don't know if the design of either has changed in the last few years though.
That said, the Ortlieb mounting, whilst it looks flimsy, is sturdy enough on my other bike.

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby Bowedw » 3 Jan 2019, 7:43pm

HI apart from the wire method of fixing and the lock they are interchangeable so there will be no need to change the plate on the bag. I do believe R & K sales blurb states that they are compatible with Ortlieb.

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby robgul » 3 Jan 2019, 7:45pm

Since my post I've looked at some other details and it will indeed work with the R&K handlebar mount.

... just got to punt around for the best price now for a 5L to fritter away some more money :-)

Thanks

Rob

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby Paulatic » 3 Jan 2019, 8:10pm

I'm pleased you weren’t looking for one last year :)
This, I think, was my bargain of the year all brand new and yes fully interchangeable with my other Ortileb and R&K mounts.
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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby robgul » 3 Jan 2019, 8:16pm

Paulatic wrote:I'm pleased you weren’t looking for one last year :)
This, I think, was my bargain of the year all brand new and yes fully interchangeable with my other Ortileb and R&K mounts.
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I think I've done quite well with a purchase about 5 mins ago - 5L bag in yellow, brand new in box for £35 from Edinburgh Bike Coop (on ebay) - Best other price from the usual suspects is about £60.

Rob

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby Bowedw » 3 Jan 2019, 8:20pm

I bought a second hand Topeak bar bag which is probably smaller than the one you want and a RK bracket which comes with 4 allen bolts and a substantial inner plate and it works fine. 2 of the bolts fitted existing holes and the plates cover the unused holes and easy to make 2 fresh holes.
Not as waterproof as the Ortlieb but I believe the newer ones come with a rain cover. There are other sizes of bags available.
Just a suggestion of a possible alternative. I seem to remember the plate was obtained from Amazon and was something like a tenner.
I did think of using a Carradice zipped roll but they are not cheap either.

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby Bowedw » 3 Jan 2019, 8:21pm

Lucky you,just ignore my message.

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby foxyrider » 3 Jan 2019, 8:30pm

The only problem with Ortlieb barbags is that they last forever! I replaced my Ultimate 2 for an Ultimate 4 not because there was anything wrong with it but because after a dozen years use it was looking 'used'!

I've gone to using the R&K mounting as the lock on the Ortlieb is entirely pointless - i'm never going to leave my BB on the bike unattended so why do I need a lock?
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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby John1054 » 3 Jan 2019, 8:35pm

foxyrider wrote:The only problem with Ortlieb barbags is that they last forever! I replaced my Ultimate 2 for an Ultimate 4 not because there was anything wrong with it but because after a dozen years use it was looking 'used'!

I've gone to using the R&K mounting as the lock on the Ortlieb is entirely pointless - i'm never going to leave my BB on the bike unattended so why do I need a lock?


Agree that the lock is superfluous but my latest R & K mounts have locks too. I thought it was good initially, but then thought the same as you - park bike, remove bar-bag every time.

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby PH » 3 Jan 2019, 11:03pm

foxyrider wrote: I've gone to using the R&K mounting as the lock on the Ortlieb is entirely pointless - i'm never going to leave my BB on the bike unattended so why do I need a lock?

Me neither, though I also have a basket that uses the came R&K bracket and is sometimes left on the bike, it's minimal value but I'm still keen for it to still be there on my return.
The R&K bracket comes in locking and none locking versions, the locking used without the key functions the same as the non locking, there's no disadvantage, is there with the Ortlieb?

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby Mike_Ayling » 4 Jan 2019, 3:47am

A very happy R&K user here.

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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby freiston » 4 Jan 2019, 4:26am

I've got a 16 litre Axiom barbag that came with a horrible bracket. I don't always need such a large bag and wanted something smaller so I bought an Ortlieb bag and replaced the Axiom bracket with the Ortlieb one that came with the bag. I also bought a R&K bracket that fixes to the frame of my folding bike and a spare R&K bag plate to replace the Axiom plate so now I can put either bag on either bike.
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Re: Ortlieb bar bag fixing

Postby Norman H » 4 Jan 2019, 7:33am

Another advantage of the R&K fitting is that the cable can be cheaply replaced with a suitably sheathed length of old brake cable inner. The Ortlieb cable has a unique brass ferrule fixed to one end and is expensive to replace.