reohn2 wrote:….The plusses for discs IME are,a)consistent and predictive braking......
I don't think that is quite what you mean, is it?
Yes it is what I mean,discs compared to rims brake are more predictable with better modulation than any rim brake IME.
Anyway if you mean 'predictable' then I disagree; some (not uncommon) combinations of disc and pad, when wet, result in the worst initial bite of any modern brake system I have used. Bad enough to at least double your stopping distance. Absolutely no good for urban use, when you may need to stop at any time
Sintered pads in BB7's are very good indeed last,and are predictably very good in all conditions.
There are very many ways that disc brakes go wrong, and most of them seem to be the kinds of things that catch normal people out quite easily. The wear life of most disc brake pads (in wet/muddy conditions when you really need them) is frankly pathetic. More wear-resistant pads have various features that mean that they are not suitable for every application
Not IME,read above for type of pad I use.
If you want 'patheic' life and performance from pads and rims keep on using rim brakes in adverse conditions.
Rim brakes wear at different speeds depending on use, soil type, and hillyness. FWIW I think that modern brake blocks work better, but are harder on rims. I also think that modern rims are mostly crap; in times past I never worried about wearing rims out on a road bike, not for decades, and I did many more miles in worse conditions then
I've no quarrel with that and it's whyTUC found his MA2 rim lasted,because it was decades old,modern rims don't last,
The conclusion I have come to is that;
1) for any kind of road cycling where I am remotely fussy about weight and/or how the bike rides, and/or being able to fix the bike easily, I shall continue to use rim brakes for as long as I can get half-decent rims
That's your prerogative,so long as I don't have to do the same
2) If I want a brake that really will work consistently in all weathers and requires minimal maintenance, I shall use drum brakes, because these really do that, instead of just leading you on with a stream of half-truths and broken promises like disc brakes do...
You were doing OK until the accusation of half truths and promises.
You can use whatever brake you want it matters not a jot to me.
I speak from my experience,ten years on the tandem without fault and 8 years on various bikes,all using the same BB7 mechanical disc brake, with a few months with Spyres which I swapped out for BB7's
3) I shall continue to use hydraulic disc brakes on some MTBs simply because they offer the best modulation, and the whole bike is high maintenance anyway, so the (usually unwelcome) extra burden of disc brake maintenance is but a drop in an ocean of spannerwork.
As I posted previously I've no need for hydro's because what I have stop me very well in all conditions and I have to physically adjust the pads so find it's a reminder of pad wear,something we've dicussed before,plus they can be stripped down roadside if needs be,which for a tourist is a significant and further plus.
All these points have been chewed over before and this debate stems from your praise of drums,which I have no quarrel with,but you also have a downer on discs whenever anyone brings up the subject which as posted previously is tiresome,and because of that I won't be entering into discussion on this thread on the subject again.